High ranking Canadian killed in Afghanistan

[CaptainCrunch]

http://www.canada.com/news/Canadian+...614/story.html

The kid gloves have to come off now. I would expect that JTF2 is on the plane right now to start operation kill all of those f$$$ers

[Hemi-Cuda]

the kid gloves were on before? how is this any different than the 144 Canadian soldiers killed before him?

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

http://www.canada.com/news/Canadian+...614/story.html

The kid gloves have to come off now. I would expect that JTF2 is on the plane right now to start operation kill all of those f$$$ers

Not to make light of what happened...but they're already dead...hence the suicide bomber.

I don't know who you'd kill anyways. There's so many of these "rogue" sects anyways its not like you're accomplishing anything.

RIP.

[CaptainCrunch]

First and foremost they need to change the rules of engagment on vehicles.

If you don't stop at first warning there are no more warning shots, you light em up.

Second you start going out to where the insurgents live. Instead of patrolling and mainly doing defensive work with pre planned offensives. You go totally on the offense.

You start putting more pressure on Pakistan since there are still Taliban members moving back and forth across the border.

[jar_e]

CC you'd probably know the answer to this...

But I'm curious was a high ranking Canadian Forces official would be traveling with US troops? It doesn't mention any other Canadian casualties or troops in the article?

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

First and foremost they need to change the rules of engagment on vehicles.

If you don't stop at first warning there are no more warning shots, you light em up.

Second you start going out to where the insurgents live. Instead of patrolling and mainly doing defensive work with pre planned offensives. You go totally on the offense.

You start putting more pressure on Pakistan since there are still Taliban members moving back and forth across the border.

While I understand the sensitive nature this war has created, not the I could die here in the desert understand, but the need to want to protect the people. This includes soldiers. I am not pro middle east war, but I do understand the need to protect everyone. I do not agree with this idea however. While I can not relate to this war or the pressure the soldiers are under I do understand that after nearly a DECADE of occupation these invaders of my land continue to point their guns at me I'm eventually not going to care what they think. My point is these people are most likely sick and tired of being treated like second class citizens in their own country. Everyone has a breaking point. If the military decides to forgo the rules of engagement then they will be no better then the terrorists they are trying to find. These rules are here for a reason. It does not matter if you are a General or a new recruit. You signed a contract, you joined a hazard county, and hazard county still has it's rules. You are suggesting to embrace a "no freedom policy if your brown/middle Eastern" mentality. You will lose all backing that you need and create more backlash and more deaths.

My point and I really don't think I made a good job making it is - Rules are there to protect the innocent, or the civilians. These rules existed in Vietnam or the Korean War and everybody looked the same then! They can't just open up on a car or in-surge on civilian homes just because they believe the mean people they are after live in the building as well. IT HAS TO BE PLANNED. There has to be evidence.

It really sucks when our friends and family die but in the end they signed up for it. Rules and all.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Clearly we gotta go Wiki-leaks on them!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by jar_e

CC you'd probably know the answer to this...

But I'm curious was a high ranking Canadian Forces official would be traveling with US troops? It doesn't mention any other Canadian casualties or troops in the article?

Remember that there are several U.S. units that are working very closely with Canadian units right now. The Col was due to take up a fairly high ranking position, the possibility was that he was going to be working on the Command Staff there.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

While I understand the sensitive nature this war has created, not the I could die here in the desert understand, but the need to want to protect the people. This includes soldiers. I am not pro middle east war, but I do understand the need to protect everyone. I do not agree with this idea however. While I can not relate to this war or the pressure the soldiers are under I do understand that after nearly a DECADE of occupation these invaders of my land continue to point their guns at me I'm eventually not going to care what they think. My point is these people are most likely sick and tired of being treated like second class citizens in their own country. Everyone has a breaking point. If the military decides to forgo the rules of engagement then they will be no better then the terrorists they are trying to find. These rules are here for a reason. It does not matter if you are a General or a new recruit. You signed a contract, you joined a hazard county, and hazard county still has it's rules. You are suggesting to embrace a "no freedom policy if your brown/middle Eastern" mentality. You will lose all backing that you need and create more backlash and more deaths.

My point and I really don't think I made a good job making it is - Rules are there to protect the innocent, or the civilians. These rules existed in Vietnam or the Korean War and everybody looked the same then! They can't just open up on a car or in-surge on civilian homes just because they believe the mean people they are after live in the building as well. IT HAS TO BE PLANNED. There has to be evidence.

It really sucks when our friends and family die but in the end they signed up for it. Rules and all.

If you look at what the Canadians and the troops have done there to this point, assisting in building infrastructure, building schools, loaning out medic to civilian clinics. Canadian Troops also came up with the program where they're actively living and working in the villages to better protect the civilians.

Lets not make it sound like the Taliban members are some heroic force trying to drive out invaders, lets look at their conduct against Civilians, lets look at their willingness to create civilian casualties by exploding car bombs in the middle of public squares, throwing acid in girls faces for the crimes of getting an education.

The Taliban are monsters who want to re-enact a extreme form of oppressive government.

The thing is that nobody has ever accused the Taliban of being stupid. they know the rules of engagement and take advantage of it. they know that troops have to give multiple warnings to vehicles approaching.

Its time to change the rules of engagement. Its time to find a way to throw them off balance.

Thats why I mentioned sending in JTF2 to gather intelligence, and hunt down insurgent leaders.

Its time that more international pressure was put on Pakistan and especially their ISI who has been playing both sides of the war for years.

Its time to stop waiting for these creeps to plant their bombs and strap on their vests or load up their cars with explosives.

Your fighting an enemy that seems to be well lead, by a bunch of monstrous zealots, its time to treat them that way.

We have a limited time to make a difference over there, we have a limited time to push them back.

The troops need a more aggressive ROE.

If a vehicle approaches at high speed you give him one warning from a distance, if he doesn't turn back, if he speeds up then you don't shoot over his head, you shoot right for the windshield.

If you locate one of their bases, you send in the troops grab as many prisoners as you can and kill the rest.

According to one Seal member during Vietnam, the problem was that the enemy didn't fear them and didn't hear footsteps in the jungle, we're making the same damn mistake here.

We're way to defensive, we're letting the Taliban insurgents dictate the terms and declare the battlefield, that can't go on.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

First and foremost they need to change the rules of engagment on vehicles.

If you don't stop at first warning there are no more warning shots, you light em up.

Second you start going out to where the insurgents live. Instead of patrolling and mainly doing defensive work with pre planned offensives. You go totally on the offense.

You start putting more pressure on Pakistan since there are still Taliban members moving back and forth across the border.

I'm with you. If you're going to fight a war, then you fight it to win completely. They need to stop trying to fight a gentleman's war... there is no such thing. Either bring them all home or go balls to the walls.

[T@T]

Nuke em, nuke em all and then take a piss on the glass that's left over.

Stupid sorry "so-called" war.

[nik-]

Should we really be advertising the success of these attacks? I know they're going to do them anyway, but seeing something like this might add a little more to their fire no?

I personally don't want these animals to know that their attack killed a Colonel.

[puckluck]

If there was a way to nuke the crap out of the Taliban and not kill any innocent civilians I'd be for it. The world would be a much better place without the Taliban or any extremist group fighting in the name of religion.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm with you. If you're going to fight a war, then you fight it to win completely. They need to stop trying to fight a gentleman's war... there is no such thing. Either bring them all home or go balls to the walls.

This is something I wonder about.
Is this war just to keep the radical Islamics busy over there instead of here or do we really want to win?

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If you look at what the Canadians and the troops have done there to this point, assisting in building infrastructure, building schools, loaning out medic to civilian clinics. Canadian Troops also came up with the program where they're actively living and working in the villages to better protect the civilians.

Lets not make it sound like the Taliban members are some heroic force trying to drive out invaders, lets look at their conduct against Civilians, lets look at their willingness to create civilian casualties by exploding car bombs in the middle of public squares, throwing acid in girls faces for the crimes of getting an education.

The Taliban are monsters who want to re-enact a extreme form of oppressive government.

The thing is that nobody has ever accused the Taliban of being stupid. they know the rules of engagement and take advantage of it. they know that troops have to give multiple warnings to vehicles approaching.

Its time to change the rules of engagement. Its time to find a way to throw them off balance.

Thats why I mentioned sending in JTF2 to gather intelligence, and hunt down insurgent leaders.

Its time that more international pressure was put on Pakistan and especially their ISI who has been playing both sides of the war for years.

Its time to stop waiting for these creeps to plant their bombs and strap on their vests or load up their cars with explosives.

Your fighting an enemy that seems to be well lead, by a bunch of monstrous zealots, its time to treat them that way.

We have a limited time to make a difference over there, we have a limited time to push them back.

The troops need a more aggressive ROE.

If a vehicle approaches at high speed you give him one warning from a distance, if he doesn't turn back, if he speeds up then you don't shoot over his head, you shoot right for the windshield.

If you locate one of their bases, you send in the troops grab as many prisoners as you can and kill the rest.

According to one Seal member during Vietnam, the problem was that the enemy didn't fear them and didn't hear footsteps in the jungle, we're making the same damn mistake here.

We're way to defensive, we're letting the Taliban insurgents dictate the terms and declare the battlefield, that can't go on.

Well said and well thought out. I'm not going to pretend I know everything about the war there and I am out of my element. It is just a very thin line. Once a precedent is set, who is to say next time, in a different peace keeping mission some where, the same zero tolerance is used when it isn't needed.

And I am not saying the Taliban is a force for the heroic good! Anyone who forces abuse on the innocent is scum.

"Thats why I mentioned sending in JTF2 to gather intelligence, and hunt down insurgent leaders. "

These guys look bad ass!
Bad_Ass_ Link

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by puckluck

If there was a way to nuke the crap out of the Taliban and not kill any innocent civilians I'd be for it. The world would be a much better place without the Taliban or any extremist group fighting in the name of religion.

Yes, if only this magical bomb existed.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by puckluck

If there was a way to nuke the crap out of the Taliban and not kill any innocent civilians I'd be for it. The world would be a much better place without the Taliban or any extremist group fighting in the name of religion.

I think that nuke would take out Bush, his neo-con pals and probably 3/4 of the presidents the USA has ever had.