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Old 09-20-2019, 08:18 AM   #6541
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So they still exist. I thought the mass ban was gonna stop all shootings.
Well, if we can't 100% solve a problem, why bother right?
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:18 AM   #6542
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Fact is, more people are killed by motor vehicles in Canada than guns. Maybe cars should be banned.
Are you ok with your vehicle being confiscated with no compensation because it could potentially kill someone someday?
No, the point is they are licensed and have restrictions. That’s the point.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:19 AM   #6543
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Fact is, more people are killed by motor vehicles in Canada than guns. Maybe cars should be banned.
Are you ok with your vehicle being confiscated with no compensation because it could potentially kill someone someday?
My car serves a vital purpose to my life and society as a whole.

What societal benefit does an AR15 add exactly?
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:19 AM   #6544
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Aaaand now all the indigenous groups and residents up north who need them for food and defense just voted against your selfish interests.
Do they not matter?
Please don't tell us when you're collecting your guns, going to the range, hutning etc you're thinking about the indigenous groups up north who need rifles to survive. You're not then, don't suddenly pretend to care now. Gun nuts love dragging the debate through the mud. And people vote for their own selfish interests all the time, no doubt you have in the past as well. You're a real bleeding heart eh?

Ban auto and semi-auto weapons, hand guns too. If exceptions need to be made to those in the remote areas, do so.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:19 AM   #6545
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Aaaand now all the indigenous groups and residents up north who need them for food and defense just voted against your selfish interests.
Do they not matter?
Well you’ll have to apologize to them. I’m more than willing to let some hunting rifles stay legal, but if you’re going to keep arguing how difficult and vague it is to differentiate some guns then we’ll just have to ban them all so there’s no confusion.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:19 AM   #6546
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Yeah except that we have great data from other countries who have banned guns like Australia and the UK where gun violence plummets.
Australian crime and homicide rates didn't actually drop faster after Port Arthur, it was already on the way down. Gun ownership actually went up after Port Arthur laws, but curiously the crime rate didn't.

And the UK (with their epidemic of knife crime) is at the point now where people are suggesting that they ban the sale of pointed knives and filing down existing ones. They are even asking the question why someone needs an 8 or 10" knife in their goddamn kitchen.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:21 AM   #6547
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Well, if we can't 100% solve a problem, why bother right?
When we cant enforce laws on the books and stop smuggling, let's punish the law abiding and stand back and gloat about how our legislation stopped... nothing.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:21 AM   #6548
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Australian crime and homicide rates didn't actually drop faster after Port Arthur, it was already on the way down. Gun ownership actually went up after Port Arthur laws, but curiously the crime rate didn't.

And the UK (with their epidemic of knife crime) is at the point now where people are suggesting that they ban the sale of pointed knives and filing down existing ones. They are even asking the question why someone needs an 8 or 10" knife in their goddamn kitchen.
Ah the classic “they” boogeyman.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:21 AM   #6549
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Cities in Australia have created their own special task forces to deal with handgun crime that has skyrocketed, after their gun bans. And they are an island, how can handguns get there?
A 5 second search will also show you mass shootings havent stopped, if we use the commonly accepted metric of 3 or more people shot.
Again, the illegal handguns in cities that are being used in the vast majority of firearm crime are not being targeted, and this proposal will have no measurable effect.
Do you know something we don't? According to this they are releasing the plan at 10:30(8:30), and the headline mentions hand guns.


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Trudeau will be making the 10:30 a.m. ET announcement in Toronto's Greektown, the site of a deadly gun rampage last summer.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...290950?cmp=rss
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:23 AM   #6550
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Character assassinations aside, please tell me how banning ARs fits in with the liberals assertion of having 'fact based policy' when you will not be able to find one instance of ARs being used in violent crime in this country?
So are you saying that we should have to wait for someone to go to a school or mall and slaughter a ton of people here in Canada before we ban them? Or are you saying we should just ignore all the facts/evidence that America has provided us on a regular basis?

When it comes to 'leftist' policies, assault weapon bans are one that I will always support.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:24 AM   #6551
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Please don't tell us when you're collecting your guns, going to the range, hutning etc you're thinking about the indigenous groups up north who need rifles to survive. You're not then, don't suddenly pretend to care now. Gun nuts love dragging the debate through the mud. And people vote for their own selfish interests all the time, no doubt you have in the past as well. You're a real bleeding heart eh?

Ban auto and semi-auto weapons, hand guns too. If exceptions need to be made to those in the remote areas, do so.
The AK family of rifles is prohibited in Canada.
Yet there is a varient called the valmet that is non restricted in Canada. Same action as the AK.

Why was it named by a OIC to be non restricted? Because the govt dropped off crates of them to indigenous groups up north for hunting/protection. When the ban came down, and the monolithic voting block declared war on the governing party it was overturned.

This is all about votes, not public safety. Dont kidd yourself.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:26 AM   #6552
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I'm on board with tougher gun laws, and if they ban any future sales of AR weapons. I guess for me, if they do ban it, then they should ensure people who already own AR weapons either get fairly compensated through a buyback program, or the ban has grandfather clauses for existing owners. Seems unfair to just all of a sudden declare its banned, and people lose thousands of dollars on stuff they purchased legally.

Reading that article, that one gun nut is crazy if he wants the Canadian equivalent of the second amendment. Part of the reason why the US is so messed up and has so many shootings vs. the rest of the world is because of that stupid amendment. And Canada is also pretty high compared to the rest of the world because we're neighbors to the US and all the illegal firearms that flow through from there.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:27 AM   #6553
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Do you know something we don't? According to this they are releasing the plan at 10:30(8:30), and the headline mentions hand guns.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...290950?cmp=rss
Legal handguns are being targeted, not illegal ones doing all the killing.
The article I posted flat out states that Bill Blair will be banning ARs and proposing new storage laws as per his mandate from the LPC.
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So are you saying that we should have to wait for someone to go to a school or mall and slaughter a ton of people here in Canada before we ban them? Or are you saying we should just ignore all the facts/evidence that America has provided us on a regular basis?

When it comes to 'leftist' policies, assault weapon bans are one that I will always support.
We should take the evidence provided and vote Trump out.
We dont have assault weapons in Canada, havent since the 70s.
Thanks for enlightening us all once again though.
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Legal handguns are being targeted, not illegal ones doing all the killing.
The article I posted flat out states that Bill Blair will be banning ARs and Well, Uh, ok, but if the illegal ones are already illegal, haven't they already been targeted?
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Do you know something we don't? According to this they are releasing the plan at 10:30(8:30), and the headline mentions hand guns.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...290950?cmp=rss
They are going to go after legally owned handguns because it is easy, looks good and they know where every single one is. It does nothing to address the crimes committed with handguns that are being smuggled over the border. And they are going to propose to ban a gun that has never been used in a crime in Canada, a gun that is already arbitrarily classified as restricted and subject to strict ownership conditions.
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Legal handguns are being targeted, not illegal ones doing all the killing. .
The illegal handguns are already illegal.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:31 AM   #6558
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Well, on the plus side for the Liberals we aren’t talking about Trudeau having a weird obsession with blackface anymore.
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We should take the evidence provided and vote Trump out.
We dont have assault weapons in Canada, havent since the 70s.
Thanks for enlightening us all once again though.
First comment: irrelevant to the discussion.

Second comment: if assault weapons are already banned, then you are just pissing in your own face here by complaining about how the government will ban something already banned.
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Someone should tell Nik that Naheed Nenshi is brown and also Mayor of Calgary, thus he's in a perfect position to comment.
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