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Old 03-28-2024, 02:52 PM   #13961
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Having said that, yes I do believe that every American voter should vote for Biden. Those who do anything else are either morally bankrupt, or are woefully ill-informed and not making any real effort to get informed.
Cool. Berating people into voting for your team is always a sound strategy.
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Well that’s quite a gauntlet to throw down. Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is morally bankrupt and woefully uninformed because my subjective criteria are the objective truth.

Yeah I can’t figure out what’s wrong with political discourse nowadays either. Kind of a mystery.
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Old 03-28-2024, 02:56 PM   #13963
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It has become completely impossible to distinguish a MAGA from someone parodying a MAGA.
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Old 03-28-2024, 02:57 PM   #13964
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If you have in your hands the power to stop Trump from re-entering the White House, and you choose not to exercise that power, then yes you have serious moral deficiencies.
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If you have in your hands the power to stop Trump from re-entering the White House, and you choose not to exercise that power, then yes you have serious moral deficiencies.
Isn't that most Americans with guns?
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It has become completely impossible to distinguish a MAGA from someone parodying a MAGA.

It's true.
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Old 03-28-2024, 03:10 PM   #13967
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If you have in your hands the power to stop Trump from re-entering the White House, and you choose not to exercise that power, then yes you have serious moral deficiencies.
Wanna know a secret? That’s like a few thousand people at most. It’s the people in swing states that will really be what decides this election. I live in a state that’s so blue it wouldn’t change unless a nuke took out 3-5 major metropolitan areas and even then probably not. Nothing I could possibly do or say would change that so I’m off the hook which is cool.

So probably what the Biden team should do is that in addition to not repeating one of Hillary’s big mistakes and remembering to reach out to blue bastions, is focus on those swing states and areas. I wonder if those are voters who respond well to ideological purity tests. They probably are I won’t even look into it.
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Isn't that most Americans with guns?
I meant any legal mechanism.

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Wanna know a secret? That’s like a few thousand people at most. It’s the people in swing states that will really be what decides this election. I live in a state that’s so blue it wouldn’t change unless a nuke took out 3-5 major metropolitan areas and even then probably not. Nothing I could possibly do or say would change that so I’m off the hook which is cool.

So probably what the Biden team should do is that in addition to not repeating one of Hillary’s big mistakes and remembering to reach out to blue bastions, is focus on those swing states and areas. I wonder if those are voters who respond well to ideological purity tests. They probably are I won’t even look into it.
I think it's important that everyone vote Biden regardless of which state they live in. While Biden winning the election is certainly the most important thing, blowing out Trump by the largest margin possible in the popular vote is also important to send a giant middle finger to him and his fascist dictatorial ideology. It would also put a further spotlight on how stupid and illegitimate the electoral college system is.
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Wanna know a secret? That’s like a few thousand people at most. It’s the people in swing states that will really be what decides this election. I live in a state that’s so blue it wouldn’t change unless a nuke took out 3-5 major metropolitan areas and even then probably not. Nothing I could possibly do or say would change that so I’m off the hook which is cool.

So probably what the Biden team should do is that in addition to not repeating one of Hillary’s big mistakes and remembering to reach out to blue bastions, is focus on those swing states and areas. I wonder if those are voters who respond well to ideological purity tests. They probably are I won’t even look into it.
I always have to chuckle when Americans claim they have the greatest democracy in the world, yet cling on to an antiquated system that tells millions and millions of voters that their vote is pretty much useless just because of geography.
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I always have to chuckle when Americans claim they have the greatest democracy in the world, yet cling on to an antiquated system that tells millions and millions of voters that their vote is pretty much useless just because of geography.
It does crack me up that so many seem to believe a document written by rich slaveowners for the interests of them and maybe 4 million total people is so infallible and perfect that attempting to update anything for scale is beyond the pale. 4 million, 300 million, whatever the system works perfect boys don’t change a thing.
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Cool. Berating people into voting for your team is always a sound strategy.
At some point, if you do something that's worthy of criticism, you shouldn't be surprised when you get criticism.

When you do something that is directly conducive to ending democracy and the entire modern western world as we know it, you should expect rather harsh criticism.
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The histrionics regarding the downfall of civilization are a bit much.
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It does crack me up that so many seem to believe a document written by rich slaveowners for the interests of them and maybe 4 million total people is so infallible and perfect that attempting to update anything for scale is beyond the pale. 4 million, 300 million, whatever the system works perfect boys don’t change a thing.
It still benefits rich slaveowners, so the system works!
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Old 03-28-2024, 04:23 PM   #13974
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The histrionics regarding the downfall of civilization are a bit much.
"Histrionics" You using that word speaks volumes about how much attention (or lack thereof) you've been paying.

Here's a few videos explaining what Trump has in store. Can provide many more if you like.

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Old 03-28-2024, 04:50 PM   #13975
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At some point, if you do something that's worthy of criticism, you shouldn't be surprised when you get criticism.

When you do something that is directly conducive to ending democracy and the entire modern western world as we know it, you should expect rather harsh criticism.
Okay, but do you want Biden to win, or do you just want to get high on your own sense of moral superiority?

There are bodies of research that demonstrate your approach to this is ineffective and more likely to drive votes the other way.
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Old 03-28-2024, 04:53 PM   #13976
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Over the last few days I drove across Eastern Oregon, Idaho, a bit of Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska. In this reddest of red America I did not see a single piece of Trump or Maga merch anywhere. No bumper stickers, no road signs, no hats, no billboards, nothing.



I did see a lot of Christian advertising (call 83 FOR-TRUTH! or whatever that number is) and several pride flags, but zero trump / maga branding.
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Old 03-28-2024, 05:20 PM   #13977
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It has become completely impossible to distinguish a MAGA from someone parodying a MAGA.
Pretty sure that’s a parody. Isn’t he a comedian? The fact that we can’t tell is disturbing.
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Old 03-28-2024, 06:44 PM   #13978
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Okay, but do you want Biden to win, or do you just want to get high on your own sense of moral superiority?

There are bodies of research that demonstrate your approach to this is ineffective and more likely to drive votes the other way.
I really hope winning elections is as simple as stating facts and getting information out to the public. I really do hope you're right about that.

But if people are actually basing their vote on "am I doing better than I was 4 years ago" and ignoring all other considerations, maybe you can understand why I look at people and wonder if they are serious about placing an informed vote, or whether they're trolling. The president does not have dictatorial power to do whatever he wants, and even if he did, he does not have a magic wand that makes inflation disappear and prices go down. Trump's tax cuts, combined with supply chain disruptions and the invasion of Ukraine, account for most of the inflation we've seen over the past 4 years. While people may be lacking this information, I do think they have a responsibility to get informed before casting their vote. We live in a day and age where it's easier to do this than in any other time in history.

I'll be doing what I can on social media to spread the word about Biden's successes and Trump's failures (along with his depraved behavior and psychopathic plans for the country), knowing full well my efforts probably won't effect the outcome, but is still worth trying.
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Pretty sure that’s a parody. Isn’t he a comedian? The fact that we can’t tell is disturbing.
You can't tell? Did you actually watch it? He's famous for those videos.
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'Trump in 2028': GOP-aligned organization calls for abolition of presidential term limits
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One of the coalition members of the far-right Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025" presidential transition plan is proposing to overhaul the US Constitution to keep former President Donald Trump in power beyond the eight-year limit.

The American Conservative — one of the 100 advisory groups to Project 2025 — recently published a call to repeal the 22nd Amendment as a means of allowing Trump to seek a "second consecutive term" in the White House if he wins in November. That amendment has been in place since 1951, and stipulates that presidents can't spend more than eight years in office, whether in two back-to-back terms or staggered between other administrations.

"If, by 2028, voters feel Trump has done a poor job, they can pick another candidate; but if they feel he has delivered on his promises, why should they be denied the freedom to choose him once more?" writer Peter Tonguette proposed. "As with Prohibition, it is simply a matter of finding the will to get rid of a bad idea that needlessly limits Americans’ freedom."
No longer just a 'risk'...
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