Douglas Garland Trial - Guilty- 1st degree- 3 counts / 75 years no parole.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FLAME ENVY

So you're saying the evidence presented thus far by the crown is simply 'circumstantial' ? Frame job, really ?

I didn't say "simply" at all, I said if there's even a small chance he didn't do it I couldn't vote for a death penalty. unless I missed something there's been no absolute evidence linking Garland and the victims. Every bit of evidence so far could have been planted, do I believe that? No of course not but without a smoking gun,video/photo or reliable witnesses I couldn't vote for a death sentence.

As for the "really?" frame job comment, OJ got off likely because the cops wanted to make sure he didn't get off,and if he didn't have millions of dollars worth of lawyers he would have fried. others who are innocent aren't so fortunate to afford high priced legal teams.

If you think innocent people haven't been executed because they were likely framed by police or others I suggest you do a little research.

Here's a few.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/exec...sibly-innocent

Another study
http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-execu...-claims-248889

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Innocents could be wrongfully incarcerated, therefor we should not incarcerate.

You've got to have some faith in the system!

I'd rather have 1M criminal scum get the proper punishment and risk the remote chance myself or one of my fellow countrymen get wrongfully convicted than let "alleged" savages like this guy not see proper justice.

At least you are honest about because the death penalty executes innocent people. I think that is unethical because of its irreversible nature but as long as you don't deny that the death penalty kills innocent people it's a defensible albeit unethical position

Could you explain why death is proper justice instead of jail for life? To me the only difference between life in jail in a max and death is the ability to undo some of the damage if you screwed up. The milgard's and Morans get to have some of their life back.

I do have faith in the system. Faith that most of the time it works but I also have the knowledge that it is fallible and therefore irreversible punishments shouldn't be used.

Remember that your desire to kill Garland also kills David Millgard and likely Clifford Olson so there would have been no way to prove that Clifford Olson was the killer.

[edslunch]

If society believes that killing another human is wrong then society shouldn't do it. To me it's not a question of being certain of guilt, it's that society should be above vengeance.

[FlamesAddiction]

For me, it's not a moral question, but a practical one. I have no issue with the state putting someone to death if that person has undoubtedly committed terrible crimes. In fact, sometimes I think it's too humane to just kill them.

The issue I have is that historically, the application of the death penalty was not applied evenly among various demographics and innocent people have been executed. It's a tool that can be easily abused. As long as there is a chance that one innocent person will be executed, it can't be an option.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by GGG

Remember that your desire to kill Garland also kills David Millgard and likely Clifford Olson so there would have been no way to prove that Clifford Olson was the killer.

Larry Fisher.

But thanks for reminding everyone that when people go to jail for something they didn't do the real bad guy also goes free and sometimes on to do more crime unabated.

So Clarkey can't stand the idea of even one savage going free...so much so that he's prepared to be wrongfully imprisoned for his whole life to ensure that never happens...hahahahaha it's so much more BS than even I called it out as.

At least in the Gail Miller murder Fisher died in prison after having been shown to be the one who should have done Milgaard's 23 years.

[Kjesse]

The final officer testifying was at the time a relative rookie, 18 months in the force, and joined a police volunteer force to search the farm at night.

I'm surprised but quite impressed that officers volunteered for something they should be paid for. Add to that they're unionized and you get a positive vibe from a service under heavy attack these days.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Add to that they're unionized and you get a positive vibe from a service under heavy attack these days.

The good stories about our police are there and always have been - you just have too look for them. Cops doing good things don't get the mouse clicks the media needs.

[greyshep]

Valerie Fortney
@ValFortney


Crown closes its case on #Garland triple murder trial; court to reconvene at 1:30, when defence will announce its plans regarding defence.

11:12 AM - 09 Feb 2017


This should be interesting.

[automaton 3]

That HAWCS unit is worth its weight in gold for these types of scenarios. Tough to hide from infrared.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by edslunch

If society believes that killing another human is wrong then society shouldn't do it. To me it's not a question of being certain of guilt, it's that society should be above vengeance.

Well society also believes that forcibly confining someone is wrong, hence kidnapping. I don't disagree with you that capital punishment shouldn't be used, I just think that being locked up is equally horrible. If I was Garland I'd rather they just kill me TBH.

[Flash Walken]

Clarkey is Calgarypuck's drunk uncle.

Best to ignore his advances.

[Otto-matic]

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[EldrickOnIce]

If you want to read something chilling in its own right, read the executive summary of the report from the Kaufman Commission, which investigated the wrongful conviction of Guy Paul Morin for the 1984 murder and rape of 9 year old Christine Jessop.
Obviously, this kind of abuse/impropriety of... well... almost everything in the entire system would be very unlikely to happen now, it serves as an important reminder that innocent people have been convicted of heinous crimes, and only later found to be unquestionably innocent.

https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov....rin_esumm.html

[Slava]

If the defence calls no witnesses and basically just drops their defence (can they actually do that?), then I think its pretty clear cut that he enjoyed getting to relive the crime. Just a despicable human being if that is the case.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Slava

If the defence calls no witnesses and basically just drops their defence (can they actually do that?), then I think its pretty clear cut that he enjoyed getting to relive the crime. Just a despicable human being if that is the case.

I can't see the jury taking that long to convict if they don't present anything substantial.

[Hockeyguy15]

And they won't call anyone and Garland won't testify according to twitter.

Closing statements on Monday.

[Luder]

wtf?

Nancy Hixt ‏@NancyHixt32s32 seconds ago


BREAKING Defence for accused triple murderer Douglas #Garland tells court they will not be calling any evidence

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I can't see the jury taking that long to convict if they don't present anything substantial.

Yeah, I hope not. I just think its the ultimate in sadism to essentially know that you have no defence, but to make everyone lay the case out again while you sit there and enjoy the process.

And on twitter he won't testify and they're not calling any evidence.

[dubc80]

Defense not calling any evidence

[Hockeyguy15]

I think that pretty much tells you the everyone involved did their job properly and there is nothing the defense can do to refute the Crowns version of events.

Pretty much game over for Garland at this point I would think.