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Old 06-19-2019, 10:48 AM   #341
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I don't see Hunter Smith with Leason, but I am concerned his development is closer to Glenn Gawdin.

Gawdin is a decent prospect, but we signed him after an overage breakout year.

Originally drafted by STL in round 4 #116 overall 2015, and finally broke out 2017-18 in the WHL with 125 pts in 67 games.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:50 AM   #342
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Forwards: Brink, McMichael, Leason
Dmen: Soderstrom, Seider, Harley, York, Heinola

I think one of those dmen could be there - the most likely being Heinola. But they could easily be gone by then. Bjornfot, Vlasic and a few others will also be there. But not sure they go there.
Brink excites me based on the limited highlights I've seen. Looks dynamic and quite aggressive in getting to the scoring areas despite his size.

Plus his legal name is Bobby Orr Brink according to Bob McKenzie. So that's pretty awesome.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:51 AM   #343
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Good article in the Athletic with a scouts poll:


Which player do you think has the greatest potential to end up as a bust?
  • Arthur Kaliyev (LW, Hamilton Bulldogs, OHL). His production has raised expectations, don’t know if his game will translate at the next level. He won’t get the space he gets now at the pro level.
  • Arthur Kaliyev (LW, Hamilton Bulldogs, OHL).
  • Vasili Podkolzin (RW, SKA, VHL).
  • Alex Vlasic (D, U.S. U18, NTDP). I think he gets the NTDP benefit of the doubt, just a bigger guy.
  • Jayden Struble (D, St. Sebastian’s, MA-High School).
  • From the projected first-rounders it’s Spencer Knight (G, U.S. U18, NTDP). History tells us that predicting goalie futures is very tricky.
  • Brett Leason (RW, Prince Albert Raiders, WHL).
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:04 AM   #344
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From the same article. It sounds like there is good talent to be found into the mid 20s , and some depth in the draft as far as the second round.
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Old 06-19-2019, 12:30 PM   #345
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I think it's tough to justify drafting a guy like Leason over someone like Brink. One guy is comparable to Gawdin (who the Flames signed for free), and the other guy truly has top line potential.

In fact, I'll go one step further. I'll be shocked if Brink doesn't become a top 6 forward. He's not necessarily my top choice - I'm just using him as a counterexample to compare to Leason.

I know the Flames already have small players. But if they want to get value for their pick, they need to pick a high-skill high-ceiling guy. I'm generally against using first round picks to draft probable third-line players. Best case scenario, the value is barely there.
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Old 06-19-2019, 12:56 PM   #346
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I get the feeling Ryan Suzuki may slip near where the Flames are picking.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:02 PM   #347
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I get the feeling Ryan Suzuki may slip near where the Flames are picking.
That athletic article also figured that Suzuki is the most likely to slip to a later first pick.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:15 PM   #348
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Man...TheAthletic is churning out some really good articles. Lots of behind the scenes draft stuff.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:20 PM   #349
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I don't see Hunter Smith with Leason, but I am concerned his development is closer to Glenn Gawdin.

Gawdin is a decent prospect, but we signed him after an overage breakout year.

Originally drafted by STL in round 4 #116 overall 2015, and finally broke out 2017-18 in the WHL with 125 pts in 67 games.
Understand what you're saying but it's not as close as you think. Leason was 19 when he had this break out, Gawdin was 20, an overaged junior player.

Comparing their 19 year old seasons shows that Leason had 89 points in 55 games, leading his team in scoring. At the same age Gadwin 59 points in 52 games, 4th on his team in scoring.

There are also many factors beyond numbers as well.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:23 PM   #350
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This draft is starting to remind me of 2015. Lots of interesting players beyond the top guys, there are going to be some interesting picks in the 2nd round, teams going "he's available?" and rushing to make the pick. Tobias Bjornfot is a name that keeps popping out to me.

Would love Treliving to get a 2nd and another third.
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:30 PM   #351
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I think it's tough to justify drafting a guy like Leason over someone like Brink. One guy is comparable to Gawdin (who the Flames signed for free), and the other guy truly has top line potential.
Yeah Leason is a weird one because you rarely see people go in the 1st round of their 3rd year of draft eligibility (Pearson is really the only example I can think of).

I do think the one thing that Leason has though is that he showed very well against his same aged peers.

He was very good at the World Juniors - which makes him more similar to Pearson than guys like Smith or Gawdin.

And his NHLe is comparable to top picks from his real draft year (2017) still playing junior.

Leason: 40 NHLe

6th Overall - Glass: 45 NHLe
10th Overall - Tippett: 34 NHLe
13th Overall - Suzuki: 40 NHLe
27th Overall - Frost: 47 NHLe
35th Overall - Ratcliffe: 32 NHLe
39th Overall - Robertson: 43 NHLe
41st Overall - Anderson-Dolan: 34 NHLe
47th Overall - Formenton: 28 NHLe
50th Overall - Comtois: 41 NHLe

So he really compares favourably to guys that were highly touted prospects that were taken in the top 50 of the 2017 draft that are still playing in the CHL.

From that group Tippett, Anderson-Dolan, Formenton, and Comtois have all already played NHL games, and it looks like Glass, Suzuki, and Frost will likely all be NHLers next year.

I'm still not sure I want the Flames to take a chance since they only have 1 pick in the first two rounds but if you are a team with multiple picks in the first two rounds it's worth a shot.

Could really see LA at 22, Carolina at 28, Anaheim at 29, Buffalo at 31 taking a shot at him. All of them have 3+ picks in the first two rounds and would be interested in a guy stepping in sooner rather than later since they are not really looking at a long term rebuild.
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Old 06-19-2019, 02:02 PM   #352
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Cosentino has the Flames taking Connor McMichael.

Which would no doubt ignite a barrage of "Connor McOtherguy" jokes from Oilers fans.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...t-first-round/
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I would really love a trade back....Like 5 spots to BUF and get another kick at the can in the 3rd.
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Old 06-19-2019, 02:08 PM   #354
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Cosentino has the Flames taking Connor McMichael.

Which would no doubt ignite a barrage of "Connor McOtherguy" jokes from Oilers fans.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...t-first-round/
As a Knights fan I would be beyond thrilled with grabbing Connor, I don't think he will be there when we pick though.
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I would really love a trade back....Like 5 spots to BUF and get another kick at the can in the 3rd.
Depends who is on the board.

I feel like for high skill forwards there is a drop off in that range where the Flames pick.

In the 20 - 30 range you have people like Suzuki, Kaliyev, Tomasino, Poulin, Brink, McMichael, Leason.

Then I feel like there is a gap to guys like Pelletier, Rees, Hoglander, etc.

If the Flames are going to go from 26 to 31/32 I think I want a 2nd rounder to move back those spots not just a 3rd.
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Depends who is on the board.

I feel like for high skill forwards there is a drop off in that range where the Flames pick.

In the 20 - 30 range you have people like Suzuki, Kaliyev, Tomasino, Poulin, Brink, McMichael, Leason.

Then I feel like there is a gap to guys like Pelletier, Rees, Hoglander, etc.

If the Flames are going to go from 26 to 31/32 I think I want a 2nd rounder to move back those spots not just a 3rd.
I've read that there is a dramatic drop off after the 25-28 range. I think that the Flames should try and grab one of top player insead of a few 'good' prospects.
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Depends who is on the board.

I feel like for high skill forwards there is a drop off in that range where the Flames pick.

In the 20 - 30 range you have people like Suzuki, Kaliyev, Tomasino, Poulin, Brink, McMichael, Leason.

Then I feel like there is a gap to guys like Pelletier, Rees, Hoglander, etc.

If the Flames are going to go from 26 to 31/32 I think I want a 2nd rounder to move back those spots not just a 3rd.
See I like Pelletier, Rees and Hoglander better than Suzuki, Kaliyev, Poulin, McMichael and Leason.

I think those 3 guys especially are getting really under rated at this draft. All 3 have really good skill level, they can skate, but they also compete at really high level.

Hoglander is a guy that I am quite surprised is falling out of the 1st round on a lot of draft rankings. He is a guy I really like and would be thrilled if we drafted him at 26.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:55 PM   #358
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Connor McMichael upped his game a lot this year. I know it’s a homer pick and admittedly I know more about him than most of the other players. If Suzuki drops though you take him over McMichael.
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As a Knights fan I would be beyond thrilled with grabbing Connor, I don't think he will be there when we pick though.
I’ve seen a lot of mock drafts where he’s not even in the first round.
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Brayden Tracey had follow up interviews with the Leafs, Lightning, and Calgary after the combine per https://theathletic.com/1033450/2019...-nhl-prospect/

The Flames typically only do this when they are really interested in a particular player.

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