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Old 09-22-2017, 05:16 PM   #2781
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The clear intent of the GM was to bolster defense and improve goaltending in the off season. He isn't about the remove one of the 4 pillars on the back as that would make everything they did and all they spent to make a formidable top 4 pointless.
So he gets a 50% if the roster stays the same.

There is no way the goaltending as a stand alone metric is markedly better this year unless a kid bails him out - we have years of stats for these two guys, we know what they are (avg or slightly below). Each of the last three preseasons the new guy has looked terrible and we’ve comforted ourselves the preseason doesn’t matter only to get off to a slow start.

Only way the gaa goes down is if scoring chances are lower. Save percentage is likely to be about the same. So strictly speaking BT will have ‘improved’ goaltending because of better defence.

If scoring is a concern he better sort that out because as others have pointed out this roster maybe be at the point of diminishing returns regarding keeping the puck out of the net; he’s got a ton tied up on the back end and net. Unrealistic to think D will drive offence again like it did two years ago.

PP in particular looks like it will be a big deal to start the year.

TLDR sign Jagr and Iggy
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I believe this is where the philosophical error lay in your proposal. This idea of "building to beat the Oilers" is a convenient invention by the media, but even before McDustpan arrived in Edmonton Treliving was already on record about the importance of building from the goal out through the middle of the ice. We now know that long before he traded for Dougie Hamilton in the same draft that the Oilers won Treliving was entrenched in discussions with Boston. We know that the Hamonic deal was two years in the making, which would set its inception long before the Oilers ever played a playoff game.

No. The Flames are not "built to beat the Oilers." The Flames are built to win the Western Conference and ultimately the Stanley Cup. This would require responses to a host of other better teams like Anaheim, Chicago and Nashville.
He has failed spectacularly to build from the goal out. Not sure how this is even debatable at this stage.

This is becoming the new get Jarome a Centre. It will probably take us past the window this team has to actually win anything. We are at three years and counting with no progress at this position.

He needs to have Smith on a short leash and he better hope Parsons is more than just a Jonathan Quick lookalike (promising).

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Don't want to contribute to any rumours or speculation, but Colorado has a scout at the Calgary/Arizona game tonight.
Starting to think Andersson might be a guy the Avs really like. And why not.
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He has failed spectacularly to build from the goal out. Not sure how this is even debatable at this stage.



This is becoming the new get Jarome a Centre. It will probably take us past the window this team has to actually win anything.


Gillies and Parsons are clearly the future. He has attempted to bring in Bishop multiple times as well, but that hasn’t worked out for various reasons.

Calling it the new “Get Jarome a centre” is crazy, because we actually have a solution - it’s just taking a bit of development time.
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He has failed spectacularly to build from the goal out. Not sure how this is even debatable at this stage.

This is becoming the new get Jarome a Centre. It will probably take us past the window this team has to actually win anything. We are at three years and counting with no progress at this position.

He needs to have Smith on a short leash and he better hope Parsons is more than just a Jonathan Quick lookalike (promising).
So for him not to fail spectacularly he should pick up a Carey Price out of the bargain bin?
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Starting to think Andersson might be a guy the Avs really like. And why not.
Andersson for duchene. Overheard it at jugojuice
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And Bennett is playing on the top line ...
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Knowing Joe Sakic, I bet the return will be Stajan and Wotherspoon
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So for him not to fail spectacularly he should pick up a Carey Price out of the bargain bin?
He’s gone into every post season during his tenure with goaltending as number one on his to do list, and not once has he got one of the good goalies available that off season.

For him to not fail spectacularly he’d only have to improve it once. Has not done that yet. Three goalie fiasco, loses Byron for nothing as icing on the cake. Last year and this year (that’s right I can see the future, smith will disappoint).
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Gillies and Parsons are clearly the future. He has attempted to bring in Bishop multiple times as well, but that hasn’t worked out for various reasons.

Calling it the new “Get Jarome a centre” is crazy, because we actually have a solution - it’s just taking a bit of development time.
Best case scenario that is 1 season away. More likely 2-3. That will be 5-6 years without a real number one goalie (during BTs tenure).
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He’s gone into every post season during his tenure with goaltending as number one on his to do list, and not once has he got one of the good goalies available that off season.

For him to not fail spectacularly he’d only have to improve it once. Has not done that yet. Three goalie fiasco, loses Byron for nothing as icing on the cake. Last year and this year (that’s right I can see the future, smith will disappoint).
Brightside, there will be no goaltending search this coming off season. Treliving is going to have a terribly boring June/July.
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McPhee hoping to trade one of his defencemen:

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He’s gone into every post season during his tenure with goaltending as number one on his to do list, and not once has he got one of the good goalies available that off season.

For him to not fail spectacularly he’d only have to improve it once. Has not done that yet. Three goalie fiasco, loses Byron for nothing as icing on the cake. Last year and this year (that’s right I can see the future, smith will disappoint).
We would have had bishop if Ken king was on the ball so no.
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I wonder who Vegas will move.

Here are their 10 waiver eligible D-men:

Garrison, Jason
Sbisa, Luca
Stoner, Clayton
Schmidt, Nate
McNabb, Brayden
Merrill, Jon
Miller, Colin
Engelland, Deryk
Reinhart, Griffin
Hunt, Brad

Schimdt is the only real keeper? Who else would be "untouchable" on that D-core?

Hunt will pass through waivers.

I don't think anyone else particularly wants Engelland bad enough to give up an asset for him.

Garrison, Sbisa, and Stoner are basically unmovable due to being overpaid. Perhaps if they retain salary.


I think the most likely group to be sent out would be one of McNabb, Merrill, Miller or Reinhart.
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Would the Flames claim Engellend to fill in as a 7th Dman/4th line winger? Pretty sure Engellend played some forward in the past? He would bring toughness and is a well liked pro
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I would take Engelland back in a heart beat. Unlikely that he's the guy moved though.
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