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GGG · 10-25-2016, 08:45 AM

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Where was it indicated the earth moving going on is constructing the maze?

It could be a red herring, however he is talking about is naritive, says it won't be a retrospective, and pans to the massive earth moving equipment.

Fuzz · 10-25-2016, 08:50 AM

The impression is that the MIB is searching for the maze at the same time period we see Ford the age his is, and there are discussions in the control room about the MIB. So it would make sense that the maze already exists(and has for some time), not that it is Ford's current project.

Cappy · 10-25-2016, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

The impression is that the MIB is searching for the maze at the same time period we see Ford the age his is, and there are discussions in the control room about the MIB. So it would make sense that the maze already exists(and has for some time), not that it is Ford's current project.

The impression is that the maze is "not for" the MiB. Also, Bernard suggests the maze to Dolores. So it would seem that the maze is more for the robots than the guests which is why i dont think its the new narrative.

bax · 10-25-2016, 09:53 AM

Can someone let me know how I can watch this?? Is subscribing to HBO the only option?

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-25-2016, 09:59 AM

Right now, yes.

Mike F · 10-25-2016, 10:26 AM

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Alright, now that they have shown an actual bullet lodged and removed from a host, I admit I now want to know how that technology works.

I thought it was quite telling that the control room had to approve two "pyrotechnic events" prior to MiB blowing the cell and the guard with the cigars. Clearly the park has fine control over those types of events somehow.

GGG · 10-25-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

The impression is that the MIB is searching for the maze at the same time period we see Ford the age his is, and there are discussions in the control room about the MIB. So it would make sense that the maze already exists(and has for some time), not that it is Ford's current project.

Except that Wyatt appears to be a part of the new naritive and is an integral part of the Maze MIB is searching for.

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-25-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Except that Wyatt appears to be a part of the new naritive and is an integral part of the Maze MIB is searching for.

I will say there is something odd with the timing. MiB was searching for the maze before Ford mentioned his new narrative.

Either Ford secretly put it into action well before he told anyone else or the timelines are messed up, otherwise how else did MiB know about it before Ford had even enacted it? Or is the maze and Wyatt stuff just coincidental that they happened at the same time?

And what's the deal with the representative that they mentioned that the board sent? Is that white hat man? His dbag friend? They hinted that their visit to the park wasn't just fun, but business too. Is that what they were referring to?

Cappy · 10-25-2016, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I will say there is something odd with the timing. MiB was searching for the maze before Ford mentioned his new narrative.

Either Ford secretly put it into action well before he told anyone else or the timelines are messed up, otherwise how else did MiB know about it before Ford had even enacted it? Or is the maze and Wyatt stuff just coincidental that they happened at the same time?

And what's the deal with the representative that they mentioned that the board sent? Is that white hat man? His dbag friend? They hinted that their visit to the park wasn't just fun, but business too. Is that what they were referring to?

Yeah, i think the new narrative affected many robots, probably including the snake lady. She may have some new motivations/back stories etc.

It sounded like the white/black hat guys business was an investor of the park, but not necessarily board members. could be wrong though.

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Finger Cookin · 10-25-2016, 12:32 PM

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Except that Wyatt appears to be a part of the new naritive and is an integral part of the Maze MIB is searching for.

Wyatt is integral now that the new narrative is being developed. Teddy knew nothing about Wyatt until that information was uploaded to him. It's possible that Wyatt knew nothing about the maze until that information was uploaded to him, and that MIB would have been directed elsewhere to speak to different hosts before the new narrative.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 10-25-2016, 12:35 PM

It's also possible that Wyatt has always been out there doing his crazy stuff, but is only now being brought into the foreground of the narrative because of what Ford is doing.

blankall · 10-25-2016, 12:47 PM

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Wyatt is integral now that the new narrative is being developed. Teddy knew nothing about Wyatt until that information was uploaded to him. It's possible that Wyatt knew nothing about the maze until that information was uploaded to him, and that MIB would have been directed elsewhere to speak to different hosts before the new narrative.

They introduced a bunch of new hosts as part of the new storyline. Wyatt could be a new creation.

Radio · 10-25-2016, 11:42 PM

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Because it's not physically possible for the Bernard /Delores conversations to be in the same time as white hat. Or what they'd have you believe is that they snuck in while Whitehat was sleeping took Delores out for an interview, then put her back in.

So the show clearly does not have a linear timeline.

Just watched episode 4. That was a flashback to an earlier conversion between Bernard & Delores. He tells her he wants her to go on an adventure (paraphrasing of course), to basically find the maze and that will set her free. Then she goes out and breaks her loop, she shoots the other host that is supposed to rape her, leaves the barn and gets shot. Then does it again but doesn't get shot and escapes and comes across William.

You have to look at this like the movie Loopers. They do this stuff every day for years, over and over again. They remember a little bit and change it the next time. That's why she appears to be shot one instance and fine the next. Now she's out of that loop, that narrative. Meaning it will now be "real time" so to speak.

They tried to bring her back but failed mostly because she was with a guest.

You see it with Maeve as well she draws that shape then goes to hide it under the floor boards only to find she has drawn it several times before.

Erick Estrada · 10-27-2016, 12:57 PM

I may be way off base but I have this feeling that there's a twist and some of the people that are being represented as humans in the show may in fact be machine. I have this feeling Bernard is in fact a machine but like the other robots is totally unaware and that the real game is deeper than what's in the theme park. If you are Dr. Ford the best way to ensure that you have control is to surround yourself by your own robot creations.

Radio · 10-27-2016, 09:28 PM

^^Personally I don't think so, I think Bernard is almost "raising" Delores as a surrogate son so to speak. Talking to her in a way that gets her to "think" for herself. Reading with her and giving her books his son enjoyed and he enjoyed reading to him.

I think if he could get away with it, he'd "make" his son.

V · 10-27-2016, 09:48 PM

I don't know, the whole theme of that episode was about the robots' back stories, and then you see Bernard with Gina Torres, and you see them talk about his back story. It wasn't a coincidence that scene was in that episode.

The Fonz · 10-27-2016, 11:19 PM

When Bernard asked Dolores if she wanted him to take the pain away that she's feeling in regards to her parent's murder, she says "the pain is all I have left of them". Bernard asks if she was programmed to say that.

Last week when Bernard was speaking about his dead son, he said the exact same thing... "The pain is all I have left of him".

Erick Estrada · 10-28-2016, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

When Bernard asked Dolores if she wanted him to take the pain away that she's feeling in regards to her parent's murder, she says "the pain is all I have left of them". Bernard asks if she was programmed to say that.

Last week when Bernard was speaking about his dead son, he said the exact same thing... "The pain is all I have left of him".

Yeah that scene is a subtle hint. Dr. Ford is almost protective of him which also hints that there's more than meets the eye.

polak · 10-28-2016, 10:19 AM

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Yeah that scene is a subtle hint. Dr. Ford is almost protective of him which also hints that there's more than meets the eye.

I didn't think it was very subtle at all, maybe that's caused I watched the episodes in a row but it almost seemed like a misdirection it was so blatant.

GGG · 10-28-2016, 06:59 PM

Anyone think Bernard killed Armold?