Practice notes Oct 14

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Wow… don’t look so happy playing a game for millions of dollars

"Smile hunny, it's a beautiful day!" but for 25 year old men.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I think it speaks volumes to the fact that Treliving doesn't know what he's doing with this roster at all. I also think highly competent GMs would draw the line at paying a guy like this a premium knowing this guy would still be twiddling his thumbs or accepting a PTO from some basement dweller.

I would quite honestly expect a quality GM to tell Daryll that it's either Stone or Gudbranson - choose one or the other because there isn't room for two slow, aging players like this.

We all get it. You don't like Treliving. Honestly. We get it.

Sutter wanted both of them, or Treliving wouldn't have brought them both back. I don't think you bring in a coach the level of Sutter and just build your own team and hope he's not mad at you.

The fact that Sutter called Gudbranson himself certainly makes it pretty clear.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So if Gudbranson plays poorly and turns out to be a bad signing, is that on the coach or the GM?

What if he is a revelation?

Or is it on the owners?

Do you honestly think he's a guy that moves the needle either way?

He's the 5th defenseman right now I would guess ... little chance to move past the first four, and a fair chance to be 7th by the end of the season.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Wow… don’t look so happy playing a game for millions of dollars

making bank doesn't mean you're going to be happy.

They have plenty of reasons to not look happy. Not meeting their coach's expectations, especially since their Coach is Darryl Sutter, could easily be one of those reasons.

Perhaps we shouldn't speculate based on an image that captures one small moment in time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Buff

making bank doesn't mean you're going to be happy.

They have plenty of reasons to not look happy. Not meeting their coach's expectations, especially since their Coach is Darryl Sutter, could easily be one of those reasons.

Perhaps we shouldn't speculate based on an image that captures one small moment in time.

Post practice as well. Probably a bit tired.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Kylington looks ready to steal a spot.

Underrated.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I can't recall too many 30 year old plugs on their 6th team since 2019 getting handed $2M contracts in mid September. In a completely dead UFA D market at that point it is extremely likely that nobody was in pursuit of this guy. He has been on borrowed time for the last 3-4 seasons and played what should have been his final card in Nashville last year.

What I can recall is bums like this instead getting PTOs that makes them at least play their way onto a roster.

Its seems likely someone offered him a 2 year at league min...Flames had to pay more for a one year.

Another team gave up a player and a pick for him a few months ago, sometimes things fans see and what actual NHL executives see are different

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Another team gave up a player and a pick for him a few months ago, sometimes things fans see and what actual NHL executives see are different

Another team gave up an East Coast Hockey League player and a 7th round pick for him a few months ago. If we play our cards right we may be able to get a 7th rounder for him at the deadline.

Stanley Cup Champion Zach Bogosian got 850K this offseason. Similar player to Gudbranson, minus the Stanley Cup for Bogosian.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Another team gave up an East Coast Hockey League player and a 7th round pick for him a few months ago. If we play our cards right we may be able to get a 7th rounder for him at the deadline.

Stanley Cup Champion Zach Bogosian got 850K this offseason. Similar player to Gudbranson, minus the Stanley Cup for Bogosian.

Yeah that cup was all him lol

850K in Tampa doesn't mean he would have come to Calgary for that amount


I highly doubt the Flames would have given Gudbranson that money for no reason...like it or not isn't my point.

Seems more than likely he had other offers

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah that cup was all him lol

850K in Tampa doesn't mean he would have come to Calgary for that amount


I highly doubt the Flames would have given Gudbranson that money for no reason...like it or not isn't my point.

Seems more than likely he had other offers

Do you think we could get a 7th rounder for him this year? And a ECHLer as well maybe, that would be fantastic and the same return the Sens got for him.

I find it amazing that you think for sure there was a bidding war for Gudbranson. I wonder how hot thr market was for him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Do you think we could get a 7th rounder for him this year? And a ECHLer as well maybe, that would be fantastic and the same return the Sens got for him.

I find it amazing that you think for sure there was a bidding war for Gudbranson. I wonder how hot thr market was for him.

There is a world of difference between a "bidding war" and competing offers. No one believes that Gudbranson was a hot, summer commodity, but given the delay in his signing and the value of his contract it is perfectly reasonable to think that the Flames were not the only team interested in him. Your faux astonishment at this is willfully obtuse.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There is a world of difference between a "bidding war" and competing offers. No one believes that Gudbranson was a hot, summer commodity, but given the delay in his signing and the value of his contract it is perfectly reasonable to think that the Flames were not the only team interested in him. Your faux astonishment at this is willfully obtuse.

It is also possible that Gudbranson's agent said this is the number he will sign for and Treliving met that number. We both have an equal amount of evidence that we can present for either position. Sometimes agents fleece GM's as well.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Do you honestly think he's a guy that moves the needle either way?

He's the 5th defenseman right now I would guess ... little chance to move past the first four, and a fair chance to be 7th by the end of the season.

No I don’t believe he moves the needle but a 5th defenseman needs to be adequate. We’ll see if he is.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

lol, wrong thread

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is also possible that Gudbranson's agent said this is the number he will sign for and Treliving met that number. We both have an equal amount of evidence that we can present for either position. Sometimes agents fleece GM's as well.

Of course, it is possible. There are any number of unknown factors which went into this contract, which is why I don't believe for a second that you "find it amazing" to think that Gudbranson could have been entertaining more than just the Flames's offer. There is nothing remotely amazing about it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is also possible that Gudbranson's agent said this is the number he will sign for and Treliving met that number. We both have an equal amount of evidence that we can present for either position. Sometimes agents fleece GM's as well.

‘My client will not sign for a penny less than $1.9 million on a one-year deal. He would rather earn nothing this year than accept an insult like $1.8 million.’

Said no agent ever.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Do you honestly think he's a guy that moves the needle either way?

He's the 5th defenseman right now I would guess ... little chance to move past the first four, and a fair chance to be 7th by the end of the season.

You really don't think a 5th defenceman moves the needle? You best believe he moves the needle. You just better hope he isn't moving the needle down.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

You really don't think a 5th defenceman moves the needle? You best believe he moves the needle. You just better hope he isn't moving the needle down.

I was responding to someone saying this move could make the GM look good or bad.

I'm saying it's unlikely to move the needle in that department.

If he fails he slides out of the lineup, and the difference between Gudbranson and say Stone isn't that great.

He isn't going to jump over any of the top four.

So no ... won't move the needle.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I was responding to someone saying this move could make the GM look good or bad.

I'm saying it's unlikely to move the needle in that department.

If he fails he slides out of the lineup, and the difference between Gudbranson and say Stone isn't that great.

He isn't going to jump over any of the top four.

So no ... won't move the needle.

Oh Bingo....

You eternal optimist.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is a reasonable assumption that Gudbranson had outside interest from other teams—it explains why his contract came in as high as it did. But I also think that outside of the first couple pre-season games he was fine, and not the unmitigated disaster he is made out to be by many posters on this board.

I don’t understand the focus on Gudbranson when by all reports Zadorov was lacklustre in the preseason, cost us a 3rd, and clearly wants term and an AAV well above what his contributions would dictate.

At least Gudbranson was a FA add and shoots right, which also is important to consider given how many good young LHD we have.