Treliving

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

All fine but my point is that he was a valuable trade chip. Kylington might be the closest today but not as valuable IMO.

Ah, gotcha. Seems Oliver wants out too. On top of rumours the management weren't too keen on him either. Which is sad as I think he can be an important player for the Flames next season. But, I also think you can extract top value for him as well. I dont think I'm overating him either.

If you can fetch a good deal with him as a sweetener, do it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ah, gotcha. Seems Oliver wants out too. On top of rumours the management weren't too keen on him either. Which is sad as I think he can be an important player for the Flames next season. But, I also think you can extract top value for him as well. I dont think I'm overeating him either.

If you can fetch a good deal with him as a sweetener, do it.

Veggies are part of a healthy diet

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And Adam Fox. Would he be the top prospect in our organization today? I’d imagine so.

He was never going to sign with Calgary, it was well known within the Flames organization.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

All fine but my point is that he was a valuable trade chip. Kylington might be the closest today but not as valuable IMO.

And he was utilized as a valuable trade chip.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

All fine but my point is that he was a valuable trade chip. Kylington might be the closest today but not as valuable IMO.

You don’t think so? Fox was not under contract and nowhere near the NHL at the time of the trade. Kylington is already a NHL player who dominates at the AHL level. Don’t confuse what Fox has become with what he was when he was first moved.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Seems Oliver wants out too. On top of rumours the management weren't too keen on him either...

What rumours?


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You don’t think so? Fox was not under contract and nowhere near the NHL at the time of the trade. Kylington is already a NHL player who dominates at the AHL level. Don’t confuse what Fox has become with what he was when he was first moved.

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Fox was extremely highly rated in some circles, remember Pronman’s rankings?He was worth a first rounder at the time of the trade and that’s how I think he was valued in that trade. I just don’t think Kylington would be worth that today or any other Flames prospect.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And he was utilized as a valuable trade chip.


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Is there an echo?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What rumours?


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Friedman has mentioned him on the radio as someone the Flames were potentially willing to move. He is a prime expansion draft candidate and considering Jankowski and Frolik have little value he is a sweetener to get the top 6 right wing they are after.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You don’t think so? Fox was not under contract and nowhere near the NHL at the time of the trade. Kylington is already a NHL player who dominates at the AHL level. Don’t confuse what Fox has become with what he was when he was first moved.

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Fox was certainly much more regarded than Kylington at the time of the hurricanes deal

[TOfan]

Wonder if Detroit is a potential trade partner. Kylington for Mantha/Athanasiou? There always seems to be smoke around one or the other and I could see Yzerman having interest in Kylington.

Edit: probably belongs in the trade/speculation thread.

Regarding Treliving, one thing should be kept in mind for those who are critical. At one point the Flames, under his management, had Hamilton, Anderson, Kylington, Valamaki, and Fox. That's an absurd level of talent for an NHL teams defence under the age of 25. Sure, things change. Some of it is out of his hands, but the fact is he was able to identify and acquire those assets. I would argue the Flames haven't had that level of management since Cliff Fletcher.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Wonder if Detroit is a potential trade partner. Kylington for Mantha/Athanasiou? There always seems to be smoke around one or the other and I could see Yzerman having interest in Kylington.

There is no thumbs down so I will repy to this post.

Kylington is a 6/7 d-man on the Flames who falls behind NHL journeymen in ice time as some as they show up. This year Stone and Davidson are more important to the Flames than Kylington... and this is with a softer player Brodie out of the line-up.


Last year Fattenberg, Stone and Prout were more important than Kylington.

Yzerman might be interested in Kylington as a project worth a 4th liner not someone out of their top-6.

Think Adam Erne or Christoffer Ehn.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is no thumbs down so I will repy to this post.

Kylington is a 6/7 d-man on the Flames who falls behind NHL journeymen in ice time as some as they show up. This year Stone and Davidson are more important to the Flames than Kylington... and this is with a softer player Brodie out of the line-up.


Last year Fattenberg, Stone and Prout were more important than Kylington.

Yzerman might be interested in Kylington as a project worth a 4th liner not someone out of their top-6.

Think Adam Erne or Christoffer Ehn.

Disagree. If you think Stone/Davidson have more value, you're not giving Kylington enough credit.

A players deployment is directly tied to the coach and the teams depth chart. You don't think Kylington would get a look in Detroit's top 4? I do.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Disagree. If you think Stone/Davidson have more value, you're not giving Kylington enough credit.

A players deployment is directly tied to the coach and the teams depth chart. You don't think Kylington would get a look in Detroit's top 4? I do.

It's not my choice it is Peters and the Flames coaches.


Not a top 4 on any NHL team. Detroit Dekeyser, Nemeth, Green, Bowey, 21 year old Cholowski leaves Kylington battling for #6.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It's not my choice it is Peters and the Flames coaches.


Not a top 4 on any NHL team. Detroit Dekeyser, Nemeth, Green, Bowey, 21 year old Cholowski leaves Kylington battling for #6.

What you project Kylington at going forward is up to you. But no you can't just look at ice time in a rookie season and decide that other players have more value.

Doesn't work that way.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It's not my choice it is Peters and the Flames coaches.


Not a top 4 on any NHL team. Detroit Dekeyser, Nemeth, Green, Bowey, 21 year old Cholowski leaves Kylington battling for #6.

Not a top 4 on any team? Today? 2 years from now?

You don't know that. Stop pretending.

[1Nite]

Maybe one day Fox and Kylington, will be as good a top d-man like a Ethan Bear.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by VilleN

For the record, I don't think that should be the only criteria. However, after coming off of a failed coaching hire, in which the coach had basically no pedigree or history of proven success I believe it would have been prudent, and logical to include winning pedigree into your next hiring criteria so as to remove that variable from the equation. Of course, if the only candidate with a winning pedigree doesn't tick any of your other boxes then I don't think management should hire that coach simply on that basis. It's why I wouldn't hire Babcock today.

If Peters were fired, would you not prefer a coach who has proven they are capable of winning? Don't you think it would provide more information as to why the team is underperforming if we at least hired a coach that has proven they can bring a team to the next level? I think it makes sense to include that variable into the criteria of hiring a coach at this point - and I believe it probably should have been included in the hire after Gulutzan... Having said all that, maybe Treliving wanted to do that but the pedigreed coach he wanted wasn't available, and Peters ticked the most boxes for him.

How are Jon Cooper, Bruce Cassidy and Todd Reirdon doing in the NHL? None of them had a "pedigree".

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

How are Jon Cooper, Bruce Cassidy and Todd Reirdon doing in the NHL? None of them had a "pedigree".

Agree with your premise with the exception of Cooper.

He has won at every level and developed players while doing it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

Maybe one day Fox and Kylington, will be as good a top d-man like a Ethan Bear.

I certainly hope they Kylington is as good as Bear one day. Right now I suspect Bear is the beneficiary of better coaching, but that could change in the future.