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Old 03-13-2019, 09:53 AM   #101
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Call WestJet immediately. If by direct you meant nonstop, your flight is not on a 737 anyway. WS2 LGW-YYC is flying normally on a 767.
Ok! you clearly know more than me!! I assumed it was a 737 based on it being all over their London advertising. Thanks for your help!, ill contact them to make sure.
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:59 AM   #102
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The new information motivating Canada's decision to ground has to do with satellite data and comparing Lion Air and this crash. There are similarities between the two that indicate common factors in both crashes.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:00 AM   #103
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Sure you're not confusing the WestJet advertising for the new 787 service coming up this spring?
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:03 AM   #104
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So im travelling thru Europe on my way to London this weekend, to watch Fulham play.

We are scheduled to leave Monday morning from Gatwick on a Westjet Max 8 direct to Calgary. the UK have grounded them but Canada hasn't. where does this leave me if I haven't heard anything?
This would be a poor time to make a joke about Fulham "going down" this season, wouldn't it?

But in all seriousness, just check with WestJet. As others have mentioned, you wouldn't be on a 737 anyway if you were going from Gatwick to Calgary.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:03 AM   #105
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Bunch of MAX's here now... interesting to see where they get towed on the field because we don't have a ton of extra space. A couple (AC to Vancouver and Toronto) were just getting ready to board.

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Canada grounds all Max 8 planes based on new information learned this morning. So what does Westjet do with its planes in Europe? Weird.
Same thing they would have done yesterday, given UK airspace had already been closed.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:04 AM   #106
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Is US the only country left allowing them to fly?
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:06 AM   #107
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Is US the only country left allowing them to fly?
The only country of significance.

Edit: "significance" in terms of MAX planes operating.

Canada is huge as we represent about 12% of worldwide MAX ops of 350 frames between AC's 24, WestJet's 13 and Sunwing's 4

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Old 03-13-2019, 10:25 AM   #108
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Where can you find what plane would be the normal on your flight? YYC-PHX I believe uses 737-700 or 737-800 but not positive
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:25 AM   #109
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How does the grounding work for planes already in the air? Are they allowed to continue to their final destination or are they required to return to their originating airport?

WestJet has a few in the air right now, some to the States and some in Canada. Are the planes that flew to the States allowed to return to Canada, or are they stuck in their destination?

Edit: Got a partial answer listening to the Marc Garneau press conference. Planes already in the air will be able to continue their flights.

Link to press conference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234

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Old 03-13-2019, 10:25 AM   #110
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Yikes.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1105766895662309376
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:28 AM   #111
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Yeah that's what I was waiting for. You'd be nuts to fly in one of those things now.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:29 AM   #112
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Where can you find what plane would be the normal on your flight? YYC-PHX I believe uses 737-700 or 737-800 but not positive
https://flightaware.com/live/findfli...stination=KPHX

Gives you an idea of which planes fly for each operator. Looks like WestJet had a MAX scheduled for tomorrow.
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The ADIRU is the sensor. (one of two and only one on at one time). ADIRU sensor malfunctioning and giving faulty data is what caused the MCAS to take control of the plane on the Lion Air crash and having it nosedive.
I don't know where you're getting your information, but the ADIRU malfunctioning as a whole would not cause MCAS to engage. A failing ADIRU would kill all of your instruments, not trigger MCAS to trim the nose down.

In the Sunwing incident, the left side ADIRU malfunctioned, which caused the Captain's instruments to fail. The second ADIRU, which supplies the right side instruments, was still working, so the First Officer simply took over control of the plane, and they landed safely.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:32 AM   #114
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Gives you an idea of which planes fly for each operator. Looks like WestJet had a MAX scheduled for tomorrow.
Looking here on the sked directly from WS I can already tell you 1402 wasn't going to be a MAX tomorrow anyway. There will be a ton of swaps... give it a few hours and then call WS (expect to be on the phone all day) and they'll have something somewhat definitive. Do not look at any flight tracker on the internet because I'm telling you right now they're wrong.

Or just wait and fly on whatever type they have for you... it won't be a MAX so there's nothing to worry about at this point.

Both WestJet and Air Canada will be going through a process in the coming hours of determining if all flights can be covered; the answer is obviously no so they then start deciding which flights are the easiest to rebook people on other carriers, can be covered by larger planes in the case of AC, et al. So even if your flight was not ever showing as a MAX it could still get scrubbed as those frames will cover flying on sectors they deem to be most important, particularly in the case of WestJet. In fairness, in some form, this process likely began for both airlines within hours of Ethiopian.

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Who Says The Boeing 737 MAX Is Safe? The U.S. Pilots Who Fly It

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed.../#3843c7f225fc
Except for the ones who didn't: https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ed-safety-flaw
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And..........now grounded in Canada as well. I was just about to call Air Canada and swap my flight. I have a return flight with United but they do not use the 737 max 8, they have a 737-800 which is an older plane.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234

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Old 03-13-2019, 10:47 AM   #117
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WestJet has a few in the air right now, some to the States and some in Canada. Are the planes that flew to the States allowed to return to Canada, or are they stuck in their destination?

They are going to allow ferry/positioning flights with no passengers. So I'd assume aircraft will come back to Canada after those flights are completed.
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How does the grounding work for planes already in the air? Are they allowed to continue to their final destination or are they required to return to their originating airport?

WestJet has a few in the air right now, some to the States and some in Canada. Are the planes that flew to the States allowed to return to Canada, or are they stuck in their destination?

Edit: Got a partial answer listening to the Marc Garneau press conference. Planes already in the air will be able to continue their flights.

Link to press conference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234
Looks like WS2152 is en route to PVR, there is going to be a whole bunch of stressed people in Puerto Vallarta who are expecting to get on the return leg of that flight.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:53 AM   #119
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They'll ferry down an 800 and bring people back. The sky is not falling. There are worse places in the WS network to be stuck than PVR.
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Looks like WS2152 is en route to PVR, there is going to be a whole bunch of stressed people in Puerto Vallarta who are expecting to get on the return leg of that flight.
That flight is likely going to be delayed or cancelled while WS gets a rescue 737-800 (non MAX) out there. (Edit: What Acey said)

Given what Bigtime just said, I suspect that 737 MAX might return to Canada with no passengers on board.
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