03-13-2019, 09:53 AM
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#101
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by Acey
Call WestJet immediately. If by direct you meant nonstop, your flight is not on a 737 anyway. WS2 LGW-YYC is flying normally on a 767.
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Ok! you clearly know more than me!! I assumed it was a 737 based on it being all over their London advertising. Thanks for your help!, ill contact them to make sure.
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03-13-2019, 09:59 AM
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#102
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Franchise Player
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The new information motivating Canada's decision to ground has to do with satellite data and comparing Lion Air and this crash. There are similarities between the two that indicate common factors in both crashes.
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03-13-2019, 10:00 AM
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#103
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Calgary
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Sure you're not confusing the WestJet advertising for the new 787 service coming up this spring?
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03-13-2019, 10:03 AM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by fulham
So im travelling thru Europe on my way to London this weekend, to watch Fulham play.
We are scheduled to leave Monday morning from Gatwick on a Westjet Max 8 direct to Calgary. the UK have grounded them but Canada hasn't. where does this leave me if I haven't heard anything?
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This would be a poor time to make a joke about Fulham "going down" this season, wouldn't it?
But in all seriousness, just check with WestJet. As others have mentioned, you wouldn't be on a 737 anyway if you were going from Gatwick to Calgary.
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03-13-2019, 10:03 AM
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#105
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Bunch of MAX's here now... interesting to see where they get towed on the field because we don't have a ton of extra space. A couple (AC to Vancouver and Toronto) were just getting ready to board.
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
Canada grounds all Max 8 planes based on new information learned this morning. So what does Westjet do with its planes in Europe? Weird.
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Same thing they would have done yesterday, given UK airspace had already been closed.
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03-13-2019, 10:04 AM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Is US the only country left allowing them to fly?
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03-13-2019, 10:06 AM
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#107
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nfotiu
Is US the only country left allowing them to fly?
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The only country of significance.
Edit: "significance" in terms of MAX planes operating.
Canada is huge as we represent about 12% of worldwide MAX ops of 350 frames between AC's 24, WestJet's 13 and Sunwing's 4
Last edited by Acey; 03-13-2019 at 10:09 AM.
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03-13-2019, 10:25 AM
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#108
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First Line Centre
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Where can you find what plane would be the normal on your flight? YYC-PHX I believe uses 737-700 or 737-800 but not positive
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03-13-2019, 10:25 AM
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#109
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Powerplay Quarterback
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How does the grounding work for planes already in the air? Are they allowed to continue to their final destination or are they required to return to their originating airport?
WestJet has a few in the air right now, some to the States and some in Canada. Are the planes that flew to the States allowed to return to Canada, or are they stuck in their destination?
Edit: Got a partial answer listening to the Marc Garneau press conference. Planes already in the air will be able to continue their flights.
Link to press conference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234
Last edited by stazzy33; 03-13-2019 at 10:34 AM.
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03-13-2019, 10:25 AM
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#110
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The Kilt & Caber
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03-13-2019, 10:28 AM
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#111
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyah
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Yeah that's what I was waiting for. You'd be nuts to fly in one of those things now.
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03-13-2019, 10:29 AM
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#112
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
Where can you find what plane would be the normal on your flight? YYC-PHX I believe uses 737-700 or 737-800 but not positive
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https://flightaware.com/live/findfli...stination=KPHX
Gives you an idea of which planes fly for each operator. Looks like WestJet had a MAX scheduled for tomorrow.
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03-13-2019, 10:31 AM
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#113
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebot
The ADIRU is the sensor. (one of two and only one on at one time). ADIRU sensor malfunctioning and giving faulty data is what caused the MCAS to take control of the plane on the Lion Air crash and having it nosedive.
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I don't know where you're getting your information, but the ADIRU malfunctioning as a whole would not cause MCAS to engage. A failing ADIRU would kill all of your instruments, not trigger MCAS to trim the nose down.
In the Sunwing incident, the left side ADIRU malfunctioned, which caused the Captain's instruments to fail. The second ADIRU, which supplies the right side instruments, was still working, so the First Officer simply took over control of the plane, and they landed safely.
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03-13-2019, 10:32 AM
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#114
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stazzy33
Gives you an idea of which planes fly for each operator. Looks like WestJet had a MAX scheduled for tomorrow.
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Looking here on the sked directly from WS I can already tell you 1402 wasn't going to be a MAX tomorrow anyway. There will be a ton of swaps... give it a few hours and then call WS (expect to be on the phone all day) and they'll have something somewhat definitive. Do not look at any flight tracker on the internet because I'm telling you right now they're wrong.
Or just wait and fly on whatever type they have for you... it won't be a MAX so there's nothing to worry about at this point.
Both WestJet and Air Canada will be going through a process in the coming hours of determining if all flights can be covered; the answer is obviously no so they then start deciding which flights are the easiest to rebook people on other carriers, can be covered by larger planes in the case of AC, et al. So even if your flight was not ever showing as a MAX it could still get scrubbed as those frames will cover flying on sectors they deem to be most important, particularly in the case of WestJet. In fairness, in some form, this process likely began for both airlines within hours of Ethiopian.
Last edited by Acey; 03-13-2019 at 10:45 AM.
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03-13-2019, 10:34 AM
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#115
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It's not easy being green!
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: In the tubes to Vancouver Island
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Originally Posted by Bigtime
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Except for the ones who didn't: https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ed-safety-flaw
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Who is in charge of this product and why haven't they been fired yet?
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03-13-2019, 10:44 AM
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#116
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Lifetime Suspension
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And..........now grounded in Canada as well. I was just about to call Air Canada and swap my flight. I have a return flight with United but they do not use the 737 max 8, they have a 737-800 which is an older plane.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234
Last edited by Flamenspiel; 03-13-2019 at 10:47 AM.
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03-13-2019, 10:47 AM
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#117
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stazzy33
WestJet has a few in the air right now, some to the States and some in Canada. Are the planes that flew to the States allowed to return to Canada, or are they stuck in their destination?
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They are going to allow ferry/positioning flights with no passengers. So I'd assume aircraft will come back to Canada after those flights are completed.
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03-13-2019, 10:50 AM
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#118
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stazzy33
How does the grounding work for planes already in the air? Are they allowed to continue to their final destination or are they required to return to their originating airport?
WestJet has a few in the air right now, some to the States and some in Canada. Are the planes that flew to the States allowed to return to Canada, or are they stuck in their destination?
Edit: Got a partial answer listening to the Marc Garneau press conference. Planes already in the air will be able to continue their flights.
Link to press conference: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234
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Looks like WS2152 is en route to PVR, there is going to be a whole bunch of stressed people in Puerto Vallarta who are expecting to get on the return leg of that flight.
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03-13-2019, 10:53 AM
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#119
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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They'll ferry down an 800 and bring people back. The sky is not falling. There are worse places in the WS network to be stuck than PVR.
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03-13-2019, 10:54 AM
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#120
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InglewoodFan
Looks like WS2152 is en route to PVR, there is going to be a whole bunch of stressed people in Puerto Vallarta who are expecting to get on the return leg of that flight.
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That flight is likely going to be delayed or cancelled while WS gets a rescue 737-800 (non MAX) out there. (Edit: What Acey said)
Given what Bigtime just said, I suspect that 737 MAX might return to Canada with no passengers on board.
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