[Signing] Flames sign Mangiapane (1 yr, $715k, 2 way)

[Textcritic]

I have no problem giving Mangiapane term. He has done nothing but improve since the Flames drafted him. I would like to see a four year commitment.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Big as in more than double his current salary.

Well that goes without saying. Give him 8 x $1.6.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well that goes without saying. Give him 8 x $1.6.

I'd want to keep him an RFA, so probably 2.75m x 3

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'd want to keep him an RFA, so probably 2.75m x 3

3 years walks him to UFA does it not?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

3 years walks him to UFA does it not?

I wasn't sure.

If 3 walks him to UFA, then definitely a 2 year bridge at 2.5m.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'd want to keep him an RFA, so probably 2.75m x 3

You would rather pay him more on a shorter term contract?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You would rather pay him more on a shorter term contract?

What? If we are trying to get him with term, he is going to want a lot more money, just like the Andersson contract.

I am a big fan of Mangiapane, but I don't see him as a player that we should just lock up automatically with only a season and a half of a sample size. If we can sign him to a two year deal on a reasonable dollar amount, it matches up with Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Giordano's expiring contracts. We can reassess the situation from there.

[The Yen Man]

I'm guessing as part of the first deal to get Mang to sign, Tre probably said something along the lines of, if Mang was confident in his abilities, sign for the lower 1 year, and we can discuss a better and longer contract next. So far, the gamble's paid off for him. I hope they lock him up at something decent, say 3 years @ $2.5M.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think some people need to pump the brakes a bit. I wouldn't call 12 goals and 25 points "breaking out" and Tkachuk has a habit of making 3rd line players look good. I like the player but it's a little early to start getting carried away as he's still work in progress and Mark Jankowski had a more impressive debut playing a more difficult position and look at him now.

I'm with this crowd. Mangiapane is still as close to being pushed out than breaking out.

That said I like his effort level, and wouldn't be too worried about term if the price is low enough. Mangiapane might bite on a pretty cheap contract if you dangle for example a 4 year guaranteed NHL paycheck in front of him.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Itse

I'm with this crowd. Mangiapane is still as close to being pushed out than breaking out.

That said I like his effort level, and wouldn't be too worried about term if the price is low enough. Mangiapane might bite on a pretty cheap contract if you dangle for example a 4 year guaranteed NHL paycheck in front of him.

I don't think so.

He's arbitration eligible and has 13 goals in 59 games. 18 goals in a full season pace.

He's 2 years from UFA.

He's probably going to elect arbitration if the Flames don't come to the table with a real offer this time. He's likely to be awarded 2.25-2.75 per on a one or two year arbitration award. I believe if Mangiapane files for arbitration, the Flames get to select whether the award is a 1 year or 2 year deal. If they select 1 year, I believe Mangiapane is then an unrestricted free agent at the end of that contract year. If they select a 2 year deal, he will be 26 and will be a UFA at the end of that deal as well.

Andrew Copp just got 2.28x2 after scoring 11 goals in 69 games.

The Flames elected for short term gain and long term pain. It was a bad idea to grind him out on a 1 year deal for leagee minimum and then give him top 6 linemates for a season, but they did it anyway, rather than moving Frolik in the offseason and giving Tkachuk a long term deal.

So they saved maybe a couple of hundred thousand dollars this year that will probably end up costing them several million over the next couple of years.

[Rando]

UFA status is 27 or 7. 27 years of age or 7 years of service. Mangiapane turns 24 in April. One year deal or two year deal, he'd still be a RFA at the end.

[442scotty]

I think the lowball payday he got provided extra motivation and made him a better player. He has now earned Himself a pretty good raise and in the end everybody wins. Hope he signs long term.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Rando

UFA status is 27 or 7. 27 years of age or 7 years of service. Mangiapane turns 24 in April. One year deal or two year deal, he'd still be a RFA at the end.

Yes but doesn’t arbitration screw with that rule a little?

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Tkachuk has a habit of making 3rd line players look good.

Don't forget the Backlund effect too. Backlund has a proven history of making players around him better, and himself on a bit of resurgence after being returned to Centre.

[Flash Walken]

Looks like I misread Mangiapanes age, I thought he'd be 25 at the time of the arbitration filing. That changes the calculus.

If a team can only file for arbitration once with an rfa, does anyone know what happens in a scenario where they elect arbitration with Mangiapane and he's awarded a 2 year deal that brings him to 26 with one year left as an RFA?

As far as I can tell the only major difference between a player elected arbitration and a team elected arbitration is that if the team files, they can't walk away from the awarded contract but if the player files, the team can walk or limit the term to a year if the award is over 3.5?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Define big. I’m giving him 2.5-3 at most.Byron just signed $3.4 after 2 20 goals seasons (and a 15 goal in 56 game one). That seems to be where the comparable lie. And most people around this age and point level seem to get only a couple years term.

Mangi is closer to Byron before he signed his previous deal (3x1.16)

7G 21P in 47GP CGY ........ 8G 13P in 44 gp
11G 18P in 62GP MTL ....... 13G 25P in 59 gp (so far)

Byron left; Mangi right. Byron's linemates were all over the place in his 1st year in MTL; played most with Plekanec 214mins, Torrey Mitchell, and Lars Eller...some solid players, but hard to compare with 502 mins with Tkachuk. Both guys had 1PPP over the 2 years.

If AM scores anywhere near 57 goals over the next 3 years, then we can look at 3M+. Of course AM is in no danger of being waived...though if we signed guys like Raymond and Bollig this summer, who knows

I'd lean to (based only on Byron as comp):
3x 2
2x1.75
1x1.5

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Looks like I misread Mangiapanes age, I thought he'd be 25 at the time of the arbitration filing. That changes the calculus.

The calculus and your entire argument.

[Crown Royal]

2x2 could make sense for both parties.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yes but doesn’t arbitration screw with that rule a little?

Not that I'm aware of, could be wrong.

[FanIn80]

Two weeks ago, in the midst of one of our big slumps, I told my buddy who is a Sharks fan that we need to dump like 90% of the team. His response at the time was to "keep the guys who seem like they actually a s***, like Tkachuck and the goalie and that guy with the weird name Mang-something."

He's a beer-league hockey player who watches a lot of hockey and lives in Calgary, but grew up a Sharks fan and has zero emotional attachment to the Flames.

I don't know what any of this is worth, but I thought it was pretty cool.