08-05-2020, 09:27 AM
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#81
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I honestly think that any sanctions need to be at least temporarily lifted so that there can be a humanitarian effort in terms of health care, getting their economy on their feet and the massive repair effort to fix that port.
Its the right thing to do.
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Canada should offer some grain shipments, it sounds like that storage facility was a large amount of their supply.
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08-05-2020, 09:32 AM
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#82
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Saddledome, Calgary
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Whoever thought that allowing a "fireworks storage" facility right beside a giant cache of ammonium nitrate was a good idea should be held fully responsible for this.
What a disaster....
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08-05-2020, 09:37 AM
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#83
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Envitro
Whoever thought that allowing a "fireworks storage" facility right beside a giant cache of ammonium nitrate was a good idea should be held fully responsible for this.
What a disaster....
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There have been arrests this morning of Port Authority managers.
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08-05-2020, 10:54 AM
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#84
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Voted for Kodos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
Canada should offer some grain shipments, it sounds like that storage facility was a large amount of their supply.
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They need some sort of a port rebuilt before they can even accept shipments of grain and other essentials that they will run out of within a month.
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08-05-2020, 11:01 AM
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#85
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Norm!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Envitro
Whoever thought that allowing a "fireworks storage" facility right beside a giant cache of ammonium nitrate was a good idea should be held fully responsible for this.
What a disaster....
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I think there's more to it then that, from my understanding there was a grain storage facility that was caught in the explosion which could have added to the blast power because dust explosions are never good.
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08-05-2020, 11:02 AM
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#86
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
They need some sort of a port rebuilt before they can even accept shipments of grain and other essentials that they will run out of within a month.
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Perhaps they could use a ship as a floating grain terminal, or unload elsewhere and drive it in.
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08-05-2020, 11:05 AM
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#87
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Voted for Kodos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I think there's more to it then that, from my understanding there was a grain storage facility that was caught in the explosion which could have added to the blast power because dust explosions are never good.
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Grain could cause a giant fireball yes, but I doubt it would change the pressure wave blast much.
Just my mostly uneducated guess on that, though.
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08-05-2020, 11:24 AM
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#88
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I think there's more to it then that, from my understanding there was a grain storage facility that was caught in the explosion which could have added to the blast power because dust explosions are never good.
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Pictures on twitter indicate it was full of dried corn, so avoided that scenario, at least to a degree.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1291011030785630209
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08-05-2020, 11:47 AM
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#89
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First Line Centre
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Operation Wrath of God v2.0?
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08-05-2020, 12:19 PM
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#91
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
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As far as I know, the only Canadian sanctions against Lebanon are arms embargos. Allowing the free flow of arms into a volatile country is never a good idea. There have been many efforts to provide assistance to Lebanon in their current economic crisis. Hezbollah is actively opposing many of these efforts and inserting themselves into the position of providers.
The US sanctions are not against Lebanese companies directly, but those companies that deal with Assad and Iran's regimes. Although under Trump's administration, everything is done clumsily and without nuance. While I do agree, the US needs to back off, and any sanctions should be reviewed and likely altered. Going the opposite way and removing all sanctions, which would prop up Hezbollah could be a disaster too. Allowing a Hezbollah, who are well funded by foreign powers, to fill a void in Lebanon left by an economic downturn, is pretty much just what the Ayatollahs have been trying to accomplish for many decades now.
Any sanctions related to food or supplies should be looked at. However, just lifting all sanctions and allowing Iran and Hezbollah to get a further grip, isn't good for anyone. I would say that it's a very complicated situation. There have already been many anti-Hezbollah protests throughout Lebanon and talk of escalation into civil war.
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08-05-2020, 12:20 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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This thing is devastating. I have friends and family as well as countless family of friends here that live in Beirut.
As far as I know, everyone is accounted. Beirut is such a great city with incredible people and a vibrant culture. I've always enjoyed my time there. I really hope the casualties are minimal with this.
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08-05-2020, 12:37 PM
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#94
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
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08-05-2020, 12:43 PM
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#95
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
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How the hell.did that silo structure end up still standing. Wow.
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08-05-2020, 12:51 PM
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#96
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Such a pretty girl!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dammage79
How the hell.did that silo structure end up still standing. Wow.
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In a way, the city was sort of lucky it stood up. That shielded/absorbed some of the blast and surely helped limit damage on the other side of it.
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08-05-2020, 12:57 PM
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#97
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Fair but the accuracy issues of nukemap are based around actual casualties as this is just an estimate based on expected density. And the effects of the EMP. But from what I've read the blast damage information is fairly accurate.
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Didn’t intend to criticize. Just that it’s both fascinating and a sad reality of our world.
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08-05-2020, 01:14 PM
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#98
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
I don't even know where you begin cleaning up a mess like that..
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Cities have been rebuilt after wars where they suffered more damage than this. Us humans can be a resilient bunch, sometimes.
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08-05-2020, 03:11 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
How the hell.did that silo structure end up still standing. Wow.
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I think that was part of the grain discussion earlier? Full of grain that wasn't small enough to make the explosion worse?
But damn... I was watching the video clips thinking it seemed smaller than the devastation pics and I jumped when the thing blew.
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08-05-2020, 03:33 PM
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#100
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
In a way, the city was sort of lucky it stood up. That shielded/absorbed some of the blast and surely helped limit damage on the other side of it.
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A silo full of "soft" material probably acts as a pillow to some extent. Some of the energy would be absorbed by the compression of the corn.
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