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Old 04-15-2017, 01:49 AM   #2161
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And despite its awkwardness, the Liberals' position still comes across as far more nuanced than the "infinitely worse than tobacco" stance of their predecessors.

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Old 04-15-2017, 09:50 AM   #2162
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I will give credit because it addressed my two key concerns

Dealing with underaged smokers. I like the idea of punitive legislation for people that sell or distribute this stuff to younger people

Putting in legislation in terms of using saliva tests on drivers.

The rest of it just seems to be a confusing mess of half measures though with the heavy lifting having to be done by provinces.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:52 AM   #2163
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The rest of it just seems to be a confusing mess of half measures though with the heavy lifting having to be done by provinces.
Examples? It seemed straightforward to me.
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:15 PM   #2164
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I will give credit because it addressed my two key concerns

Dealing with underaged smokers. I like the idea of punitive legislation for people that sell or distribute this stuff to younger people

Putting in legislation in terms of using saliva tests on drivers.

The rest of it just seems to be a confusing mess of half measures though with the heavy lifting having to be done by provinces.
I think I heard the penalty for selling to minors could be up to 14 years in jail. That seems ridiculously excessive. It's cannabis, not heroin. Make it the same penalty as selling or providing booze to a minor.
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I think it varies on the severity of the offense. I saw this chart online the other day that explains everything pretty well.

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Old 04-15-2017, 04:32 PM   #2166
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I think I heard the penalty for selling to minors could be up to 14 years in jail. That seems ridiculously excessive. It's cannabis, not heroin. Make it the same penalty as selling or providing booze to a minor.
Personally I would be just as happy with a major fine for the first offense like 5k. Then bring back short hard labor sentences after that.

From another question, I can just see the howl if some 18 year old kid at a party gives some grass to his 17 year old friends.

I also think that leaving the majority of the heavy lifting to the provinces to deal with is just going to create a bit of a mess province to province for example.

There's also the question of Canadians going over the border to the States and because grass is legal up here, that they get busted for either being stoned when they hit the border, or else they have inadvertently left some grass or paraphernalia in their car. I do believe that we're going to have to negotiate or include the American's in this thing just because of the longest border thing.
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:43 PM   #2167
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The Government doesnt like competition so the penalties will be harsh.
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Maybe the sentence should be a period of slavery in the government grass cigarette rolling factory.

"Since you are so good at rolling joints, you will now roll joints for the government. You must roll 5000 joints a day or you will be beaten"
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:31 PM   #2169
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There's also the question of Canadians going over the border to the States and because grass is legal up here, that they get busted for either being stoned when they hit the border, or else they have inadvertently left some grass or paraphernalia in their car. I do believe that we're going to have to negotiate or include the American's in this thing just because of the longest border thing.
Uh no. If you're an idiot, you deal with the consequences.
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Personally I would be just as happy with a major fine for the first offense like 5k. Then bring back short hard labor sentences after that.

From another question, I can just see the howl if some 18 year old kid at a party gives some grass to his 17 year old friends.

I also think that leaving the majority of the heavy lifting to the provinces to deal with is just going to create a bit of a mess province to province for example.

There's also the question of Canadians going over the border to the States and because grass is legal up here, that they get busted for either being stoned when they hit the border, or else they have inadvertently left some grass or paraphernalia in their car. I do believe that we're going to have to negotiate or include the American's in this thing just because of the longest border thing.
On the province to province thing, I think its fine. Firstly, provinces deal with alcohol and it's not an issue. Secondly, from time to time the provinces want Ottawa to stay out of things and let them deal with things...so here you go. It's not rocket science and the groundwork is laid out.
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Uh no. If you're an idiot, you deal with the consequences.
And I think if our border services can handle someone with the right to bear arms forgetting about a hidden gun in their glove box for Americans crossing into Canada, homeland security are probably well equipped enough to handle someone forgetting about a bag in their car. Would it suck to be in that situation? Sure, but so would the fallout from forgetting to put on clothes before leaving the house, that's why people typically make a point of remembering to not forget about such things.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:55 PM   #2172
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I think I heard the penalty for selling to minors could be up to 14 years in jail. That seems ridiculously excessive. It's cannabis, not heroin. Make it the same penalty as selling or providing booze to a minor.
I would argue that the penalty for providing booze to a minor should be increased but you also need to be careful with maximum sentences. Because there is a difference between an 18yr old get buying weed for his 16yr old brother and an organized group growing their own weed to sell directly to teens to circumvent the law.

So a $500 fine is probably fine in the first case is fine but if it's a 3rd offennse running an organization 14yrs might be reasonable.

As long as their is no minimum sentence I am not too worried
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There's also the question of Canadians going over the border to the States and because grass is legal up here, that they get busted for either being stoned when they hit the border, or else they have inadvertently left some grass or paraphernalia in their car. I do believe that we're going to have to negotiate or include the American's in this thing just because of the longest border thing.
Not really. I'm with rubecube. If you're stupid enough to do something that often results in a lifetime ban from entering the US, that's on you. Marijuana is a controlled substance federally in the US. There's no actual need to negotiate this: know what the rules of the country you are visiting are.
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it's why you always hide the marijuana you're bringing into the US in your butt
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Elizabeth May. Devil in sheep's clothing? If the security allegations are true, I'm surprised she would be allowed back in Parliament

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it's why you always hide the marijuana you're bringing into the US in your butt
And always put an extra toothbrush and t-shirt in there in case you lose your luggage.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:28 AM   #2177
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Elizabeth May. Devil in sheep's clothing? If the security allegations are true, I'm surprised she would be allowed back in Parliament

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Its always been all about Elizabeth, she pretty much gutted all of her other candidates to get get herself elected.

She talks about bringing civility to parliment and she's often the rudest woman there.

She's an ego case. I remember when she forced her way into the debate and then spend the whole debate screeching and sucking up to the Liberal candidate at the time the equally worthless Stephan Dion.

the sooner the green party dumps her and gets serious the better.
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Old 04-26-2017, 11:32 AM   #2178
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Kevin O'Leary drops out. Good.

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Strange but understandable.

Bernier becomes a bigger front runner.
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Strangely respectable reasoning to drop out. I`m almost sad, An O`Leary ticket was an easy win for ABC
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