Fire Brad Treliving

[Poe969]

even if it's done to bring in Maroon or just to make space, a deal has to get done soon to get one or two guys off the roster

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Poe969

even if it's done to bring in Maroon or just to make space, a deal has to get done soon to get one or two guys off the roster

For sure. Will be amazing if BT is able to move a cpl contracts and also get some futures in return!

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This thread just became even more embarrassing for Treliving's detractors.

Now check this out...even if the moves he made this off-season don't work out and the Flames aren't a superb team, you cannot fault Treliving's abilities to address needs of the roster in solid ways that help the team both short and long-term. No GM is perfect, so some moves haven't worked out well in the past, but it's clear to me that Treliving has been learning from his mistakes without letting it inhibit his drive to improve the club year after year. He might end up being the best general manager this team's had since Cliff Fletcher, and I'm not sure anyone will top ol' Cliff.

[Erick Estrada]

Well I suppose the head coach could not work out and that's probably going to be a sticking point with fans given his first coach bombed. A GM can make all the right moves on his roster but if he can't get the head coach hire right it's likely all for not. I personally think Peters is going to be an improvement on Gulutzan but we will have to wait and see if he's going to be better than just good.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well I suppose the head coach could not work out and that's probably going to be a sticking point with fans given his first coach bombed. A GM can make all the right moves on his roster but if he can't get the head coach hire right it's likely all for not. I personally think Peters is going to be an improvement on Gulutzan but we will have to wait and see if he's going to be better than just good.

Thats true, just look at Vegas, GMGM seemingly did everything he could to ice the worst roster possible and Gerard Gallant went all Scotty Bowman on him.

Peters sounds like he knows what he's doing, but damn that record in Carolina gives me hesitation.

Remember, after last off season everyone was praising Tre for his moves too and his coach hire screwed it all up. Let's hope Peters is the right one.

[cral12]

#TrustInTreliving

[dino7c]

get this thread the F outta here

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well I suppose the head coach could not work out and that's probably going to be a sticking point with fans given his first coach bombed. A GM can make all the right moves on his roster but if he can't get the head coach hire right it's likely all for not. I personally think Peters is going to be an improvement on Gulutzan but we will have to wait and see if he's going to be better than just good.

Yep, I've generally not had a problem with most of his trades and signings and I think he's done pretty well with a bunch of them, but the coach and the team performance and results have sucked. A good roster on paper that plays boring hockey and either finishes well out of the playoff race or is a first round sweep is a failure. I hope this year is better, but I don't have faith in him as a team builder.

People also tend to get caught up in the euphoria and excitement of new players and change, but is the team really going to be a lot better with Lindholm, Hannafin, Ryan and Neal? I would guess a lot of fans who are now excited had never heard of most of them before their acquisition and still don't know much about them. Some people call hires a win before the results are even starting to come in. Even the Brouwer signing had these comments at the time:

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by dammage79

4x4.5. Thats great. Downright robbery considering the insanity surrounding similar players. I like it.

Originally Posted by devo22

great addition. Now hopefully the numbers make sense ...

EDIT: term is good. 4.5m a bit higher than I hoped for.

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

4 years at just over $4mil? I'm on with that.

Originally Posted by ricosuave

thats a bit high, but as an upgrade on colbourne, its not too bad

Originally Posted by btimbit

That's way better than I was expecting. Not bad, not bad at all. Little pricy but at the expense of not handing him 5+ years. I'm really big on Brouwer too, watched a lot of the Blues in the playoffs. Guy was a beast

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Gaudreau - Monahan - Brouwer

There's our first line.

Originally Posted by The Professor

Not bad. I'm pleased.

Originally Posted by Toonage

Very happy with this.

Originally Posted by dammage79

WOW! The sour puss faces in here on this. Insanity.

Originally Posted by The Professor

You guys are crazy. It's the shortest term and the lowest average of any deal I've seen today.

Originally Posted by AC

I'm fine with it.

Now trade Wideman.

Originally Posted by TBone290

Believe in the Process people!

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Will be a fantastic compliment player, not as defensive as Frolik but more of a bruiser. Throw him on Monahan or Bennett's right wing and you're looking at a solid 20 goal 40 point season.

Money is high, term is fine.

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Pretty decent. So in order to beat the Blues, we have to be them? I like it. ANA next please.

Originally Posted by dammage79

4x4.5. Thats great. Downright robbery considering the insanity surrounding similar players. I like it.

Originally Posted by devo22

great addition. Now hopefully the numbers make sense ...

EDIT: term is good. 4.5m a bit higher than I hoped for.

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

4 years at just over $4mil? I'm on with that.

Originally Posted by ricosuave

thats a bit high, but as an upgrade on colbourne, its not too bad

Originally Posted by btimbit

That's way better than I was expecting. Not bad, not bad at all. Little pricy but at the expense of not handing him 5+ years. I'm really big on Brouwer too, watched a lot of the Blues in the playoffs. Guy was a beast

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Gaudreau - Monahan - Brouwer

There's our first line.

Originally Posted by The Professor

Not bad. I'm pleased.

Originally Posted by Toonage

Very happy with this.

Originally Posted by dammage79

WOW! The sour puss faces in here on this. Insanity.

Originally Posted by The Professor

You guys are crazy. It's the shortest term and the lowest average of any deal I've seen today.

Originally Posted by AC

I'm fine with it.

Now trade Wideman.

Originally Posted by TBone290

Believe in the Process people!

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Will be a fantastic compliment player, not as defensive as Frolik but more of a bruiser. Throw him on Monahan or Bennett's right wing and you're looking at a solid 20 goal 40 point season.

Money is high, term is fine.

Originally Posted by btimbit

I think people will change their tune after watching him for a bit.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

My reaction is that this deal is ok. About what I would expect for this level of UFA. Not a steal but not horrible. I think he will do well here

Originally Posted by devo22

the reactions here are crazy. It's a decent signing IMO. Term is good, AAV a bit too high, but hey, that's the July 1 tax.

RW suddenly looks pretty good. Frolik, Brouwer and Chiasson give the Flames some great depth and versatility.

Originally Posted by Yamer

My first impression wasn't great, but this is a guy that will:

-Be able to play up and down the lineup, much like Frolik
-Has a right shot and plays naturally on the right side
-Has the ability to score 20 playing a reduced role (so let's see what he can do when given more opportunity)
-Definitely brings the edge that we always wanted from guys like Bollig and Ferland
-On that point, plays BIG
-Can play both special teams minutes
-Will most likely play to contract for 3 of those 4 years (depending on durability)

And most of all, he WANTS to be here. He is building a home in Calgary for the long term.

I like it!

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Can some post a HERO chart for me?

Also, teach me how to read a HERO chart. And what one is. And why that's the current flavour of the week for how we determine player worth. Are we not using Corsi anymore? Wasn't there another one? I was told there would be no math.

Term is great, that'd why the money is a bit high. Term is the killer for these, the money is far easier to resolve if it's bad in a few years. I like it.

Basically, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I hope it will be sweet, but what has been served up by Tre in the prior courses doesn't have me excited.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by 868904

Thats true, just look at Vegas, GMGM seemingly did everything he could to ice the worst roster possible and Gerard Gallant went all Scotty Bowman on him.

Peters sounds like he knows what he's doing, but damn that record in Carolina gives me hesitation.

Remember, after last off season everyone was praising Tre for his moves too and his coach hire screwed it all up. Let's hope Peters is the right one.

We’ve got to keep in mind the AC’s we’ve got too. Huska has been with the organization for a while and can help the rookies/young players play to the best of their abilities with the given ice time, and another AC that just helped the Devils go from drafting 1st overall to becoming a playoff team. Not to mention, Ward’s got a cup to his name. Top that off with the Flames having a better overall team to push for the playoffs.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I pity the fool who doubted the Wizard lol

[Yoho]

All of these moves really show just how unhappy Tre was with last year.
He’s been on a serious mission this off season.

[Yamer]

To put the off-season, so far, into perspective:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1013816309824434176

Also: Gulutzan, Cameron, and Jerrard out; Peters, Ward, and Huska in. Calgary is a much better and deeper team than they were in April.

Apart from having a long-term solution in goal, this off-season has been delightful as a Flames fan. Treliving does NOT sit on his hands.

[CaptainCrunch]

I said it in another post, but this is Treliving pushing all of his chips to the center of the table and yelling all in. If this works he's the golden boy, if it fails he's probably fired.



I could also say this is Kevin Costner talking to Cleveland's owner in Draft day and being told to make a splash at the draft. This is basically Treliving calling everyone else in the Pacific Division a pancake eating MF'r

[Monahammer]

If we can pull off a deal to bring in someone like saros, tre would cement this as a perfect off season.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Yep, I've generally not had a problem with most of his trades and signings and I think he's done pretty well with a bunch of them, but the coach and the team performance and results have sucked. A good roster on paper that plays boring hockey and either finishes well out of the playoff race or is a first round sweep is a failure. I hope this year is better, but I don't have faith in him as a team builder.

People also tend to get caught up in the euphoria and excitement of new players and change, but is the team really going to be a lot better with Lindholm, Hannafin, Ryan and Neal? I would guess a lot of fans who are now excited had never heard of most of them before their acquisition and still don't know much about them. Some people call hires a win before the results are even starting to come in. Even the Brouwer signing had these comments at the time:

Basically, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I hope it will be sweet, but what has been served up by Tre in the prior courses doesn't have me excited.

What? Of course it is. How are you even questioning it? This isn't some minor upgrade to the foward group, this is an entire reshaping, filling major holes that were there to begin last year. We had some great pieces in place already and this just supplements those pieces.

[Moneyhands23]

I will be keeping an eye on Parsons and Gillies this year. Hopefully one of them really goes off this year and gives us the final long term piece going forward!

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

What? Of course it is. How are you even questioning it? This isn't some minor upgrade to the foward group, this is an entire reshaping, filling major holes that were there to begin last year. We had some great pieces in place already and this just supplements those pieces.

Because a team isn't just individual player stats. Last season's team was a lot better on paper than the team under Treliving's first year, but their results were much worse in pretty much every way that matters. Next season hasn't been played yet.

Edit: Actually, on my prior point about not judging the outcome before you see the performance, here is how you actually assessed the Brouwer acquisition at the time:

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Very good signing.

As UFA contracts go, this is a very solid deal, but not undervalued.

Really fits what the Flames needed.

Enjoy the euphoria, but at least admit that projections/predictions do not guarantee outcomes. I hope you're right this time.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Because a team isn't just individual player stats. Last season's team was a lot better on paper than the team under Treliving's first year, but their results were much worse in pretty much every way that matters. Next season hasn't been played yet.

Edit: Actually, on my prior point about not judging the outcome before you see the performance, here is how you actually assessed the Brouwer acquisition at the time:



Enjoy the euphoria, but at least admit that projections/predictions do not guarantee outcomes. I hope you're right this time.

Yeah, and I was a little wrong on Brouwer (and I bet Treliving knows he was wrong on him too), but I didn't anticipate his game completely falling off the cliff the way it has. That's a pretty lukewarm response based on the player and contract. I wasn't thrilled, but I understood why Treliving did it.

This is quite different, and I'm surprised you can't see just how different it is.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Because a team isn't just individual player stats. Last season's team was a lot better on paper than the team under Treliving's first year, but their results were much worse in pretty much every way that matters. Next season hasn't been played yet.

Now they're better on paper than both of those teams were, by a long shot. why come and poop on what should be a happy time for us fans.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

Now they're better on paper than both of those teams were, by a long shot. why come and poop on what should be a happy time for us fans.

Haha, have you read the thread title? Also, this thread was buried until some posters came in here just to say how embarrassing they think the views of people who don't support Treliving are....

I haven't gone posting negative stuff in the Neal signing thread. By all means, go be happy. I wished the same to Cali Panthers Fan.