The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... Why? He's just going to sit on their debate panels and say, "Pete said X, if it was me, I would have said Y".

Because CNN screwed him, wouldn't give him time to talk in debates. Now he'll be part of that so it's selling out. And he doesnt need the money.

Want to get his message, out? do it on YouTube or podcast.

[FlameOn]

Yea I don't get that, why does Yang need the speaking engagement when he is pretty well off already? Do CNN talking/panel engagement pay that much?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Meh. I don't see it as any different than appearing on a post-debate panel, which he's done previously while he was in the race. That, and his feud was with MSNBC, he was consistently going on CNN shows saying how much better they were at the debates than their competitors.

If he were to legitimately become a CNN contributor talking head type I'd see the complaint but I don't think it makes much of a difference, he's probably going to end up with some sort of technology-related cabinet-equivalent position in any Democratic administration that results from this cycle, if he wants it.

Also, Yang's not rich. He was the third poorest candidate in the race by net worth when he dropped, behind only Buttigieg and Tulsi. Which is still fine, he's not hurting for cash, but he's also not Tom Steyer where he could just never work again if he didn't want to.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Meh. I don't see it as any different than appearing on a post-debate panel, which he's done previously while he was in the race. That, and his feud was with MSNBC, he was consistently going on CNN shows saying how much better they were at the debates than their competitors.

If he were to legitimately become a CNN contributor talking head type I'd see the complaint but I don't think it makes much of a difference, he's probably going to end up with some sort of technology-related cabinet-equivalent position in any Democratic administration that results from this cycle, if he wants it.

Also, Yang's not rich. He was the third poorest candidate in the race by net worth when he dropped, behind only Buttigieg and Tulsi. Which is still fine, he's not hurting for cash, but he's also not Tom Steyer where he could just never work again if he didn't want to.

Not to mention it provides him with good visibility and brand recognition if he wants to make another run in 4 years.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not to mention it provides him with good visibility and brand recognition if he wants to make another run in 4 years.

YouTube and podcasting.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

YouTube and podcasting.

Being on CNN doesn't prevent him from doing either of those things and the 55+ crowd still largely relies on cable news.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Being on CNN doesn't prevent him from doing either of those things and the 55+ crowd still largely relies on cable news.

Maybe but I think if youre on CNN you have to be a bit more careful on other platforms.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't think anyone is argueing universal healthcare is a good idea, just that Americans wont vote for it, there is absolutely no argument against gun control either but you cant get elected as a dog catcher there if you run on a platform of strict gun control

Seems like this amounts to pretty stupid racial/economic American voter attitude. "If I don't have good healthcare now and neither do the poor Latinos/Blacks/LGBTQ/whatever strawman group I hate, no one should.".

Relevant below:

Crab mentality, also known as crabs in a bucket (also barrel, basket, or pot) mentality, is a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither can you".[1] The metaphor is derived from a pattern of behavior noted in crabs when they are trapped in a bucket. While any one crab could easily escape,[2] its efforts will be undermined by others, ensuring the group's collective demise.[3][4][5]

The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to reduce the self-confidence of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, resentment, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

Actually it looks like universal health care didn't happen and still has not happened due to racism masquerading as "State rights".

As the Columbia University historian Ira Katznelson and others have documented, it was largely at the behest of Southern Democrats that farm and domestic workers — more than half the nation’s black work force at the time — were excluded from New Deal policies, including the Social Security and Wagner Acts of 1935 (the Wagner Act ensured the right of workers to collective bargaining), and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, which set a minimum wage and established the eight-hour workday. The same voting bloc ensured states controlled crucial programs like Aid to Dependent Children and the 1944 Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill, allowing state leaders to effectively exclude black people.

In the United States, racial health disparities have proved as foundational as democracy itself. “There has never been any period in American history where the health of blacks was equal to that of whites,” Evelynn Hammonds, a historian of science at Harvard University, says. “Disparity is built into the system.” Medicare, Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act have helped shrink those disparities. But no federal health policy yet has eradicated them.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...re-racism.html

[rubecube]

Back on topic a bit here, Bernie is rapidly closing in on Biden in South Carolina. Biden had a +14 lead last week. It's now down to +3.5, with one poll showing him tied with Bernie.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...mary-6824.html

Bernie has also opened up a +10 lead nationally, with the most recent ABC poll giving a +16 lead, and he's tied with Bloomberg for the best head-to-head numbers with Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../National.html

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It won't save ME money or save MY life. People will pay more for their plan rather than pay less into a collective pool.

Also general numbers dont show everything. Like Canada keeps creating jobs and unemployment keeps going down. But not for Albertans.

Didn't Canada lose a record number of jobs last year?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Back on topic a bit here, Bernie is rapidly closing in on Biden in South Carolina. Biden had a +14 lead last week. It's now down to +3.5, with one poll showing him tied with Bernie.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...mary-6824.html

Bernie has also opened up a +10 lead nationally, with the most recent ABC poll giving a +16 lead, and he's tied with Bloomberg for the best head-to-head numbers with Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../National.html

If Biden does poorly in Nevada and doesn't win South Carolina, it'll be interesting to see whether or not he drops out and endorses Bloomberg...

[jayswin]

It's so bittersweet as a Canadian. Bernie is about the worst possible outcome for our country, but I would love to see that country finally start heading in the right direction in terms of health care and social programs.

[Looch City]

So what're the betting games tonight?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's so bittersweet as a Canadian. Bernie is about the worst possible outcome for our country, but I would love to see that country finally start heading in the right direction in terms of health care and social programs.

There's also that climate crisis thingy... it would be nice for all of us if the guy in the White House wasn't a climate change denier...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

There's also that climate crisis thingy... it would be nice for all of us if the guy in the White House wasn't a climate change denier...

Yes, but guess who Bernie will target hardest to combat climate change? Hint, he's already going after the "evil" keystone pipeline that Obama used during his tenure....while approving a crazy number of American pipelines.

Climate change is a political issue not a social/climate issue and anyone in office in the US will protect the American economy first. Which means attacking other countries. Canada being the perfect "road block for the wolves" to making serious change in the world. It's so transparent it's crazy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

So what're the betting games tonight?

Drink when:

Bernie calls Biden "my friend Joe"
Klobuchar makes a bad joke
Pete answers a question with a vague story or appeal to unity
Biden stumbles over his gibberish answer

Any more? The Biden one might result in alcohol poisoning so maybe more of a sip on that one.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by jayswin

anyone in office in the US will protect the American economy first.

Indeed. And that means measuring all the costs, including these ones: https://www.yaleclimateconnections.o...nomy-billions/

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Drink when:

Bernie calls Biden "my friend Joe"
Klobuchar makes a bad joke
Pete answers a question with a vague story or appeal to unity
Biden stumbles over his gibberish answer

Any more? The Biden one might result in alcohol poisoning so maybe more of a sip on that one.

This one's too easy. Take a drink every time Biden mentions Obama, and every time Bernie says "billioneh".

[Rando]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yes, but guess who Bernie will target hardest to combat climate change? Hint, he's already going after the "evil" keystone pipeline that Obama used during his tenure....while approving a crazy number of American pipelines.

Climate change is a political issue not a social/climate issue and anyone in office in the US will protect the American economy first. Which means attacking other countries. Canada being the perfect "road block for the wolves" to making serious change in the world. It's so transparent it's crazy.

You're not wrong but if Canada had its own house in order when it came to that stuff Keystone XL wouldn't matter (as much).

[Rando]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Klobuchar makes a bad joke=.

She re-told her "hair fair in a blizzard' joke on Bill Maher last weekend.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1169777484113444864

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Rando

You're not wrong but if Canada had its own house in order when it came to that stuff Keystone XL wouldn't matter (as much).

Oh yeah, we're as stupid as it gets and leave the door wide open for the US to use us as a scapegoat for climate change and "dirty oil". It's absurd that Americans buy it hook, line and sinker. But ultimately our fault, yes.