[Game Takes] Oilers 5 Flames 3

[Bingo]

Game Takes: Oilers 5 Flames 3

- Flames dominate five on five
- Lots of seeing pucks find their way past Markstrom
- Not sure on that missed interference call on the game winner

[Strange Brew]

Great writeup Bingo. I saw Monahan the same way, a very strong game at both ends. He was noticeable in a good way.

I see the Draisaitl goal differently though. Tanev wasn’t pushing him out wide IMO, he got beat to the front of the net, 29 went totally around him.

That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t have been an interference call but Tanev should’t be chasing his guy looking for help there IMO.

[calgarywinning]

Honestly, such a great write up on the game. I was like why is the fourth line out with 3:40 or whatever it was to go. I think, only that Darryl is saying we roll deep win or lose.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Monahan is such a key for this team this year. If he is still getting up to speed after hip surgery and can find another gear, he is another depth scorer for them. Likely never the first line scorer ever again but if he can get back to a 2nd line center things look much better. Not sure it happens or if he has it in him, but a healthier more productive Monahan would be a great deadline addition.

[EVERLAST]

Missing scoring from our top guns sure isn't helping.
I know its just 1 game but ....ouch.
Get back on yer horses fellas we have to get points.

[Manhattanboy]

Markstrom providing inconsistent goaltending. This is a real concern.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Markstrom providing inconsistent goaltending. This is a real concern.

I thought Markstrom was very unlucky last night.

Literally four shots through screens that he didn't even see. Big goaltenders get hit by more of those on most nights.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Great writeup Bingo. I saw Monahan the same way, a very strong game at both ends. He was noticeable in a good way.

I see the Draisaitl goal differently though. Tanev wasn’t pushing him out wide IMO, he got beat to the front of the net, 29 went totally around him.

That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t have been an interference call but Tanev should’t be chasing his guy looking for help there IMO.

Yeah honestly my focus wasn't on Tanev doing the right or wrong things, but that the next line of defense was taken out on a pick creating a game winning goal in a game where they already set the precedent for interference calls earlier in the game.

[Erick Estrada]

Flames now 3-5-1 in the division and 5-6-3 overall in the West. This is a trend that absolutely needs to end. For whatever reason they have generally played well against every division but their own.

[TheSquatch]

I didn't think Markstrom was problematic last night. I guess he could have made a few more saves, but it's not like he was out of position or failing to track cross-ice passes or something.

Refs decided on a home win for the Oilers, I thought the calls on ice were really inconsistent. NHL turning into soccer - it's a penalty for THIS guy but not THAT guy.

And we gotta face it, the biggest issue is that the Flames just don't have enough scoring talent. Dube has most of a net to shoot at on a 2 on 1 and can't elevate. Just no finish on the team below the top line.

"Same old Flames"

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Flames now 3-5-1 in the division and 5-6-3 overall in the West. This is a trend that absolutely needs to end. For whatever reason they have generally played well against every division but their own.

Results are results, you need to pick up the points.

But the team isn't playing poorly against the West or their division.

Some stats five on five

CF%
Atlantic 51.2%
Central 59.1%
Metro 52.9%
Pacific 54.7%

xGF%
Atlantic 49.6%
Central 64.2%
Metro 51.5%
Pacific 53.9%

HD Splits
Atlantic 51.0%
Central 66.7%
Metro 50.2%
Pacific 55.6%

They have played the Pacific 2nd best behind the Central which has considerably less games.

What it comes down to finishing and getting the save. The Flames have terrible shooting percentages against both the Central and Pacific, and similarly poor save percentages.

PDO by Division
Atlantic 101
Central 96
Metro 103
Pacific 97

As I said you need the points but they're playing just fine in the West.

[Tabaracci_31]

Great write up, Bingo. Thanks as always for your great work! I’m usually pretty measured after games but last night was so frustrating. It’s nice to read the game takes- I always find them grounding. I agree with a lot of what you said. Monaghan was pretty good, IMO, and that’s nice to see. I don’t understand the missed interference call- that’s a pretty awful way to lose that game. That said, it’s also frustrating that we blew the 2-0 lead. As soon as the Oil got that first goal, I was thinking “here we go!” That said, credit to this edition of the team for fighting back to tie the game. Still, this one stings…

[Erick Estrada]

I disagree. Getting saves and finishing are the key ingredients to winning games and as you say they aren't getting that. The advanced stats are meaningless if they don't translate to points in the standings.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I disagree. Getting saves and finishing are the key ingredients to winning games and as you say they aren't getting that. The advanced stats are meaningless if they don't translate to points in the standings.

Thanks teach!

Doesn't all of that pretty much fit into my comments about you need the points/results?

Bottom line though they're not playing poorly against their division, which is what you said.

[Strange Brew]

EE has a good point. Outshooting and outchancing are important but they don’t decide the game. Hockey games and individual series are decided by athletes making plays, from players scoring, goalies making saves and skaters avoiding big mistakes that end up in the back of your net.

Some athletes are able to deliver these in bigger moments better than others.

It’s funny about the winning goal. Some fans focus on Tanev getting beat, others focus on the missed call. Guess I’m more in the camp of thinking about what you could have done better so guess that’s why I’m looking at Tanev there.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

EE has a good point. Outshooting and outchancing are important but they don’t decide the game. Hockey games and individual series are decided by athletes making plays, from players scoring, goalies making saves and skaters avoiding big mistakes that end up in the back of your net.

Some athletes are able to deliver these in bigger moments better than others.

It’s funny about the winning goal. Some fans focus on Tanev getting beat, others focus on the missed call. Guess I’m more in the camp of thinking about what you could have done better so guess that’s why I’m looking at Tanev there.

Right but the same athletes are playing against the other divisions too.

The Flames aren't playing poorly against their division. They're not getting the results but it's the same goaltender and the same shooters that are running rough shod over the East.

I mean seriously, every one points to the Pacific as the weakest division so I'm sure it's not a Calgary can't play against the Pacific issue. They've had some great bounces against the East, and none against the Pacific.

They need the results but it isn't legit to say they're not playing well against their division.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

EE has a good point. Outshooting and outchancing are important but they don’t decide the game. Hockey games and individual series are decided by athletes making plays, from players scoring, goalies making saves and skaters avoiding big mistakes that end up in the back of your net.

Some athletes are able to deliver these in bigger moments better than others.

It’s funny about the winning goal. Some fans focus on Tanev getting beat, others focus on the missed call. Guess I’m more in the camp of thinking about what you could have done better so guess that’s why I’m looking at Tanev there.

Well, Tanev doesn’t get beat - no goal. But people get beat in hockey - you have to plan for the worst all the time. But there, I still don’t think the non-call affects it. Kylington had a man to cover. But Lindholm was lazy on that play - watch the replay and tell me what he’s doing.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I thought Markstrom was very unlucky last night.

Literally four shots through screens that he didn't even see. Big goaltenders get hit by more of those on most nights.

He needs to work on looking around screens then. I thought he had a horrible night tracking the puck and finding it through screens. That's part of the job.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Tanev doesn’t get beat - no goal. But people get beat in hockey - you have to plan for the worst all the time. But there, I still don’t think the non-call affects it. Kylington had a man to cover. But Lindholm was lazy on that play - watch the replay and tell me what he’s doing.

Yeah people get beat. Calls get missed. Back checkers don't get back in time. All these things happen.

In this particular game, we didn't have anyone beat their man clean in a one on one situation with four minutes left in a tie game to score the go ahead goal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Right but the same athletes are playing against the other divisions too.

The Flames aren't playing poorly against their division. They're not getting the results but it's the same goaltender and the same shooters that are running rough shod over the East.

I mean seriously, every one points to the Pacific as the weakest division so I'm sure it's not a Calgary can't play against the Pacific issue. They've had some great bounces against the East, and none against the Pacific.

They need the results but it isn't legit to say they're not playing well against their division.

Flames are playing well within their Division by many measures. And I'm sure we'd all agree that shooting statistics don't decide hockey games.

I'd say the Flames are full marks for their record overall, but I don't really love how it's trending either. If a month from now we're still talking about not getting the bounces and calls, things might not be in a good place.