03-30-2021, 09:36 AM
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#10161
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
I don’t think he’s going to ask for anything less. There’s a reason why he signed the bridge deal of 7m and a QO of 9m, he won’t want to take less.
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Maybe.
A LOT of things have changed since he signed that contract, not the least of which is a flat cap and revenues for every NHL club cut so substantially, that no team will be throwing that kind of money around for anyone.
It will be managements job to sit down with him and Don Meehan (who IMO is the best and fairest agent in the game) and look at the landscape, where the Flames see him moving forward, where he sees the Flames moving forward, and if they agree to do so together. sign him to a long term deal.
Whats a top 50 offensive player with all his other attributes worth per season?
I would suggest that number, even with a flat cap is likely North of 8 per year.
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03-30-2021, 09:37 AM
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#10162
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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At this point, you listen to offers on anyone. But that by no means I want Tkachuk to go, still my favourite Flame
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03-30-2021, 09:38 AM
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#10163
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Franchise Player
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I am not expecting Tkachuk to go easy but I doubt any team signs him for 9 million at the rate he is going.
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03-30-2021, 09:38 AM
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#10164
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Truculent!
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Originally Posted by transplant99
I just don't understand the thinking behind this, and am aware you are not alone on it.
Is he having a bad year by his standards? Yes. without question.
Do you dump players every time they hit a bad stretch in their careers? No, that is a sure fire way to stay mired in a cycle that never sees a team get better.
Prior to this season MT was 47th in the entire league in points scored/53rd in the entire league in points per game from the time he broke into the league.
Add to that all the other things he does defensively (last night not withstanding), his ability to get other players/teams completely off their games, his ability to draw penalties and his willingness to accept the blame for team struggles all on himself, I have no idea what the hell people want from him.
We have 4 seasons (293 games)of exceptional hockey as a sample size prior to this.
We also have part of one season (37 games) of less than great hockey from him (yet still 2nd on the team in pts) this season. A season that has been so effed up between when it starts, the protocols, the inability to socialize etc.
Yet we have a great many people wanting to use the last part of that equation and ship him out.....for what??? You simply aren't going to get a player of his abilities in return, unlikely to get a player younger than him that has been established as an NHLer, but hey you might save a couple million on the cap 
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This.
People are being ####ing ridiculous.
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It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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03-30-2021, 09:38 AM
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#10165
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Franchise Player
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If Tkachuk asks for a long-term deal at $9M AAV, it would mean he wants to leave. He wouldn't even get that contract as a UFA.
The Flames need to know his intentions. I suspect they have an idea.
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03-30-2021, 09:39 AM
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#10166
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
I think people are concerned because his 9M salary next year requires a qualifying offer of the same amount.
Now, that doesn't mean it will require $9M to sign Tkachuk long-term. He can accept a long-term contract for any amount.
But it does give his camp leverage. If the Flames qualify him for 1 year at 9M, he becomes a free agent after that season. The Flames can avoid a qualifying offer and sign him long-term at a lower cap hit, but essentially, if Tkachuk wants to leave, he can leave.
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I thought he needed 7 years of service to become UFA? After next year its only 6....no?
If not then...sure. Explore both signing long term and trades.
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03-30-2021, 09:41 AM
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#10167
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by transplant99
I thought he needed 7 years of service to become UFA? After next year its only 6....no?
If not then...sure. Explore both signing long term and trades.
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After next year is only 6, when he is an RFA, but if he accepts a 1 year qualifying offer, that brings him to 7 seasons, becoming a UFA.
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03-30-2021, 09:41 AM
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#10168
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick M.
Some want to draft a player like Tkachuk...who can skate.
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And those players will cost far more after their ELC.
And his skating "inabilities" are so far over stated its ridiculous.
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03-30-2021, 09:42 AM
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#10169
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
RFAs become UFAs after accepting a 1 year qualifying offer.
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My bad then...i thought that only applied to arbitration decisions.
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03-30-2021, 09:43 AM
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#10170
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by transplant99
My bad then...i thought that only applied to arbitration decisions.
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My initial post there was wrong and I've edited. Ignore what I had originally wrote.
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03-30-2021, 09:44 AM
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#10171
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
If Tkachuk asks for a long-term deal at $9M AAV, it would mean he wants to leave. He wouldn't even get that contract as a UFA.
The Flames need to know his intentions. I suspect they have an idea.
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That's what I'm saying.
He wouldnt get 9 on the open market, so there is not the panic to deal him now.
Flames have control for 2 more years yet.
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03-30-2021, 09:51 AM
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#10172
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
His salary is 9...his cap hit will be 7.
Is that where we are at now?
Does anyone really care how much actual cash he receives or are we going to talk about what actually matters?
I get it. He is struggling this season. No one has questioned that but even in that scenario he is still among the top players on this team this season and when you add in his history he still a top shelf NHL player over the last 5.
People complain about this club and its mediocre ways...yet want to send the one guy up front that any team in the NHL would die to have on their roster.
Its just freaking weird.
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No, I didn’t say that. Or know that. I thought his cap hit would be $9mil, I’m not whining over how much cash a professional athletes makes.
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03-30-2021, 09:54 AM
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#10173
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Franchise Player
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Unless we get this freighter unstuck in a hurry, Matty should want to take the 9M and leave, and I don't blame him.
First priority should be to move UFAs and Gaudreau ASAP. Then you can focus on the MT situation in the off-season. There are a lot of possible permutations including a trade and sign.
There is also a remote scenario where the 9M QO could be advantageous. He'll be 25ish when he negotiates his long-term deal, which is a tough age to seek anything but maximum term (dunno if he'd want a 4-5 yr deal to bet on another big payday around age 30).
The QO might allow you to sign a 9yr deal. Lets just say 8x8 is FMV. Maybe you can make it 9yr 70M instead, with a decent front-load.
1x9M, then extend at the first opportunity at:
8x7.625M
Of course, escrow and HRR may not make the '22-23 front-load attractive. It's not huge savings, but just thinking out loud. You'd still be able to trade him.
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03-30-2021, 09:56 AM
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#10174
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Franchise Player
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you cannot sign players to 9 year contracts anymore
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03-30-2021, 10:02 AM
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#10175
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03-30-2021, 10:05 AM
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#10176
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
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Getting him on the taxi squad will save them cap room before the TD and should he be claimed...a lot of cap room.
His production is still pretty good but i know that they haven't been happy with him in Philly for a couple years.
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03-30-2021, 10:05 AM
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#10177
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Franchise Player
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wow.
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03-30-2021, 10:06 AM
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#10178
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
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He has a $4.5M cap hit. I'm guessing Chuck Fletcher could not trade him. This is relevant to the Flames' hopes of trading Mark Giordano at the deadline.
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03-30-2021, 10:07 AM
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#10179
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Could Florida pick him up if Ekblad was put on LTIR? Or is that completely wrong?
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03-30-2021, 10:09 AM
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#10180
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelson
He has a $4.5M cap hit. I'm guessing Chuck Fletcher could not trade him. This is relevant to the Flames' hopes of trading Mark Giordano at the deadline.
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Maybe if Gio was a UFA after this season, but given he has one more year left, it's really unlikely he has positive value in a trade.
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