Building The 2018/19 Flames Roster

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hell the Vegas team of misfit toys is showing what a bunch of guys who were deemed "Surplus" can do when trusted with bigger roles and responsibilities.

They were never deemed "surplus". Their former teams were required to leave them unprotected. Considering the number of players who could be protected, Vegas was guaranteed to get a team full of decent (if not star quality) players.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'm going to assume that one of Brodie or Hamilton is used in a trade to upgrade our scoring depth. They are the 2 most tradable assets with Hamilton being the biggest chip we that's been "rumored" to be potentially available: (not that I agree with it)

Roster today:
Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington

What about Stone? I am really hoping he is traded... not that I don't like him but I think we could get an ok return (bottom 6 fwd, or a 2nd round pick) and that would free up a spot for Andersson.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder if we could trade Stone for Connor Brown straight up?

I'd also look into Kapanen and Leivo as well. All right shot wingers with histories of scoring big in lower levels, and in Browns case he potted 20 two seasons ago.

I'd also ask about Hymen as well.

Boy they have a lot of right hand shooting forwards in Toronto.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if we could trade Stone for Connor Brown straight up?

I'd also look into Kapanen and Leivo as well. All right shot wingers with histories of scoring big in lower levels, and in Browns case he potted 20 two seasons ago.

I'd also ask about Hymen as well.

Boy they have a lot of right hand shooting forwards in Toronto.

I think TOR would jump all over Leivo for Stone, and that would be an overpay for the Flames.

I have wondered about a Stone for Kapanen deal in the past, but also think that Kapanen is likely too young for the Leafs to move him for a player like Stone.

I like the idea of Stone for one of Brown or Hymen, and think this is probably the sort of return the Flames could expect.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Kylington is a weird case - most of the other guys mentioned started in the NHL at 21/22. And Kylington will only turn 21 in May.

But at 16 people talked about this kid in the same way they talk about Rasmus Dahlen now, and at 18 he was still talked about in the same group as Hanifin, Werenski, & Provorov. The skill is there, he just needed to mature.

So even with the young start I think that another 30-40 games max in the AHL for him before it becomes too much. he's already matured as much as he's going to mature in that league. After 200 games in that league there is nothing else the AHL is going to teach him about being an NHLer.

Valimaki is going to be an interesting case too...I doubt he thinks he will need much AHL time either. He played with Brandon Carlo in Tri-City and was pretty much his equal as a 17 year old, with Carlo in his draft + 1 year. Carlo went right to the NHL the next year. Also he is playing with Bean now, and my bet is Bean starts the year in Carolina. Does he really need to spend any more than 30-40 games in the AHL either...doubtful.

Either way an interesting off-season, and next season on the Flames back end and goes back to my original point. Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Kulak, Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington....something feels like it will have to give and it will be tough because you can't have 2+ rookies on your backend all at once without growing pains. They needed to work these guys in better this past year so they had at least a little more NHL experience.

On a more face-value level, I also suspect that perhaps the relationship between Huska and Kylington has run its course - a different voice might jump-start some progression. You look at a guy like Brodie and from 18 to 22 he played for:

Todd Watson and his staff at Saginaw
Marty Williamson and his staff at Barrie
Jim Playfair and Troy Ward and their staffs in Abbotsford
Brent Sutter and his staff in Calgary
Bob Hartley and his staff in Calgary

But overall I think he must have picked up different things from those different staffs in the development process. That's only natural. The same for Kulak, who had his junior coaches and then even as a minor pro spent time in the ECHL (Unlike the less successful Wotherspoon and Culkin) before establishing a rapport with Huska.



Kylington has only heard one voice in the last three years and maybe it's time for him to hear a different one. Sometimes coaches like and dislike different parts of a player's game, or have different wrinkles that affect players differently. For established veterans, maybe it doesn't matter, but I think prospects have to take in every bit of every different coach. Jankowski took major strides in his Huska year - so I'm not saying Huska is a bad coach - but at some point Kylington (and for that matter the now forgotten Klimchuk and Poirier) could probably use a reset of sorts. A graduation to 3rd pairing duties could be that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hamilton, Bennett, Kylington, 2019 or 2020 1st (Flames choice) to Ottawa for Erik Karlsson
Frolik to Dallas for Brett Ritchie
Stone to Toronto for Connor Brown

Sign EK to an 8 year $72,000,000 extension
Sign JT to a 7 year $70,000,000 UFA deal

1. Gaudreau - Tavares - Brown
2. Tkachuk - Monahan - Foo
3. Ferland - Backlund - Ritchie
4. D Dube - Jankowski - Shore
Extra - Lazar, Brouwer

1. Giordano - Karlsson
2. TJ Brodie - Hamonic
3. Valimaki - Andersson
Extra - Kulak

1. Smith
2. Rittich/Gillies

Total Cap - $74,735,043

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

On a more face-value level, I also suspect that perhaps the relationship between Huska and Kylington has run its course - a different voice might jump-start some progression. You look at a guy like Brodie and from 18 to 22 he played for:

Todd Watson and his staff at Saginaw
Marty Williamson and his staff at Barrie
Jim Playfair and Troy Ward and their staffs in Abbotsford
Brent Sutter and his staff in Calgary
Bob Hartley and his staff in Calgary

But overall I think he must have picked up different things from those different staffs in the development process. That's only natural. The same for Kulak, who had his junior coaches and then even as a minor pro spent time in the ECHL (Unlike the less successful Wotherspoon and Culkin) before establishing a rapport with Huska.



Kylington has only heard one voice in the last three years and maybe it's time for him to hear a different one. Sometimes coaches like and dislike different parts of a player's game, or have different wrinkles that affect players differently. For established veterans, maybe it doesn't matter, but I think prospects have to take in every bit of every different coach. Jankowski took major strides in his Huska year - so I'm not saying Huska is a bad coach - but at some point Kylington (and for that matter the now forgotten Klimchuk and Poirier) could probably use a reset of sorts. A graduation to 3rd pairing duties could be that.

Kylington had 35 points in 62 games. He also had the same amount of goals as Poirier in less games. He seems to be progressing fine.

I agree that he should be given more NHL icetime next season but it will come down to how much change there is on blueline for next season. Andersson will also be on the big club so there is 7 guys right there.

It's interesting because we have an abundance of rightside dmen, essentially 5 if you include Brodie but only 2 leftside dmen in Gio and Kulak. I feel at least one of Brodie or Stone needs to go and maybe that opens the door for another young guy.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hamilton, Bennett, Kylington, 2019 or 2020 1st (Flames choice) to Ottawa for Erik Karlsson
Frolik to Dallas for Brett Ritchie
Stone to Toronto for Connor Brown

Sign EK to an 8 year $72,000,000 extension
Sign JT to a 7 year $70,000,000 UFA deal

1. Gaudreau - Tavares - Brown
2. Tkachuk - Monahan - Foo
3. Ferland - Backlund - Ritchie
4. D Dube - Jankowski - Shore
Extra - Lazar, Brouwer

1. Giordano - Karlsson
2. TJ Brodie - Hamonic
3. Valimaki - Andersson
Extra - Kulak

1. Smith
2. Rittich/Gillies

Total Cap - $74,735,043

I am so happy Treliving is our GM.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I could see them sign David Perron on July 1.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by New Era

I am so happy Treliving is our GM.

And were still keeping Brouwer on a roster like that as an EXTRA making 4.5M for the next 2 seasons just for funzies.

Dream scenario, I'd be all for it dont get me wrong!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I could see them sign David Perron on July 1.

No thanks. That has bad contract written all over it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I believe Stone is a bigger trade asset than we all give him credit for. Great contract, physical D, heavy shot, right handed.

Personally I’d rather keep him and give him a few more minutes as I really like his game. But... the Flames need a winger. So if it isn’t Brodie moved, Stone could be an attractive piece to a team needing some help on the back end.

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No thanks. That has bad contract written all over it.

Yep and so does Patrick Maroon. Just hope it isn't Calgary overpaying for them.

[Robbob]

I think the plan on Brouwer is to try to see if a the new coach can get more to see if they can kick that contract a little farther down the road as the team starts to get a few more options. He is still a decent penalty killer, plus I believe his NTC expires in the final two years of the contract. If things still don't work out then Brouwer @ 50% retained for part of this year and/or next year may be a better option then 1.5M over 4 years.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think the plan on Brouwer is to try to see if a the new coach can get more to see if they can kick that contract a little farther down the road as the team starts to get a few more options. He is still a decent penalty killer, plus I believe his NTC expires in the final two years of the contract. If things still don't work out then Brouwer @ 50% retained for part of this year and/or next year may be a better option then 1.5M over 4 years.

His last two years it drops to a modified NTC. 15 team list.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if we could trade Stone for Connor Brown straight up?

I'd also look into Kapanen and Leivo as well. All right shot wingers with histories of scoring big in lower levels, and in Browns case he potted 20 two seasons ago.

I'd also ask about Hymen as well.

Boy they have a lot of right hand shooting forwards in Toronto.

Can/ would the Flames retain 1.5M of Stone's salary?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Can/ would the Flames retain 1.5M of Stone's salary?

Since asking anyone a question on here feels like walking on eggshells lately let me start with: the following question is not sarcastic or snarky in any way.

Why would they have to do that? He has a good contract for 2 more seasons based on what he brings to the ice. Or is it just to ramp up value?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Since asking anyone a question on here feels like walking on eggshells lately let me start with: the following question is not sarcastic or snarky in any way.

Why would they have to do that? He has a good contract for 2 more seasons based on what he brings to the ice. Or is it just to ramp up value?

I assume it would be to make it more palatable for a team against the cap. And the return would obviously have to have a bump to reflect it.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I assume it would be to make it more palatable for a team against the cap. And the return would obviously have to have a bump to reflect it.

He was insinuating that stone is a 3rd pairing defenseman and thus overpaid at 3.5m. Based on what I watched last year, I tend to agree. I think we could recoup our picks if we traded him but that's about it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Since asking anyone a question on here feels like walking on eggshells lately let me start with: the following question is not sarcastic or snarky in any way.

Why would they have to do that? He has a good contract for 2 more seasons based on what he brings to the ice. Or is it just to ramp up value?

Ricardo seems to think our defensemen are overpaid and thus aren't worth much. I'd go ahead and not really pay much attention to his opinion as it usually doesn't align with reality.

Defensemen are valuable and a premium asset in this league. I don't think any of our current defensemen are overpaid based on market value and several of them are actually on really good contracts vs market value. We have a lot of valuable and attractive assets on the blue line. That's why people are speculating we could move one.