I haven't played it but the main character is part of a marginalized minority community that incels don't appreciate.
So they flooded the internet with comments of disdain.
Hard to discuss without talking about the 2nd game but I think the hate has more to do with various factors:
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1. Direction taken regarding the main characters of the first game
2. Force you to play as someone you initially hate (not because of orientation) because of their actions regarding the above (yeah I get that this is clever but I hated it and suicided that person the first chance I got as part of my internal revenge - I reasoned it is that they had a change of conscience and couldn't live with themselves anymore)
3. The story is about interpersonal hatred and how far you would take vengeance for just about everybody involved with massive kill counts. The first game had a glimmer of hope that you were trying to make an effort to make the world a better place in the end. I don't care for this at all. It's clever but I'd rather play almost anything else than to go home and play something depressing and emotionally disturbing.
I don't think it's a spoiler to state that the 2nd game was an overly negative, bleak, and joyless experience for a lot of people. Think of TWD episode when Negan starts bashing people's heads in with a baseball bat and how the show's viewership dropped after.
It kinda is though, because you're saying that things of that nature happen in the 2nd game, which while not giving away specifics is still a spoiler to some degree.
Given the last page of posts I don't think Yamer or anyone who hasn't played the 2nd game should be reading this thread at this point. And yeah, before someone calls me a hypocrite, I did post a spoiler but it's under 2 levels of spoiler tags and was also a joke.
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It kinda is though, because you're saying that things of that nature happen in the 2nd game, which while not giving away specifics is still a spoiler to some degree.
Given the last page of posts I don't think Yamer or anyone who hasn't played the 2nd game should be reading this thread at this point. And yeah, before someone calls me a hypocrite, I did post a spoiler but it's under 2 levels of spoiler tags and was also a joke.
Fuuuuuuuuuck! Take it elsewhere! I created a ####ing thread for it. Why is this so goddamn hard? Keep this thread for show discussion. Saying people should be going in a thread about the show to avoid spoilers for the game that go against the thread rules, and then to say well hyuck maybe y'all should be in this thread has to be the dumbest goddamn thing I've read all week, and I've read a lot about Danielle Smith this week.
Figure it the #### out already, people. Goddamn, I know y'all aren't that dumb.
Why are you yelling at me? Clearly you didn't understand my post - I already said they should discuss it in the game thread for TLOU2 the video game. You didn't even need to make a new thread, there already was one and we've already had many of these conversations there. All I was saying was that given the nature of the posts already made on this page of the thread, things had already gone over the line to a point where I wouldn't want to read it if I didn't already know what was going on.
Basically, a mod needs to come in and delete some stuff, or alternatively everyone who's posted anything that in any way references TLOU2 should just go back, edit and spoiler tag it and not talk about it in here any more going forward so it doesn't spoil it for the non-game people.
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Yeah I was kind of reading along and I already have way too much of an understanding of the second game. I should have bailed as soon as everyone was speaking to the tone,and other small details of the second game.
Thats what I meant by no single person purposely saying too much, but then the body of work from everyone responding to add their own feelings on vague details starts to paint too much of a picture. Dammit.
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I feel like I kickstarted the derail a little bit. My apologies. I really was just trying to say that I don't like Druckmann's structure for stories as a personal preference. I was seriously was trying not to truly mention TLOU2 content. Just that I felt like seeing the issues I disliked in TLOU2 being mirrored in TLOU HBO meant that I'd have to live with the way Druckmann and co might try and tell the TLOU2 HBO story.
A typical story structure in order is 1-10 and there's nothing wrong with this. Some other writers and authors like to tinker with that order to decent and good effect. Some stories go 8, 1-7, 9, 10 and do quite well. Other stories tinker with the order and do poorly.
That's what I'm saying about Druckmann and co's delivery of the story structure. IMO, the order was a little off for TLOU HBO which mirrored TLOU2. If I could, I'd love to reorder TLOU HBO or TLOU2 for someone who hasn't watched or played it because I think it would make it more immersive of a story in a revised order. That's it. I really tried not to hint of any TLOU2 content at all.
Order wise for TLOU HBO, I'd say I think it would have been improved if it was something like:
As I mentioned in my previous post, it's not a content issue, it's more me quibbling about something most other people probably won't think is an issue at all.
But again, I apologize again. It wasn't my intention, but I guess it was inevitable to snowball from such comments.
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Hard to discuss without talking about the 2nd game but I think the hate has more to do with various factors:
Spoiler!
1. Direction taken regarding the main characters of the first game
2. Force you to play as someone you initially hate (not because of orientation) because of their actions regarding the above (yeah I get that this is clever but I hated it and suicided that person the first chance I got as part of my internal revenge - I reasoned it is that they had a change of conscience and couldn't live with themselves anymore)
3. The story is about interpersonal hatred and how far you would take vengeance for just about everybody involved with massive kill counts. The first game had a glimmer of hope that you were trying to make an effort to make the world a better place in the end. I don't care for this at all. It's clever but I'd rather play almost anything else than to go home and play something depressing and emotionally disturbing.
You need to either delete this or put it under a spoiler tag. Serious dick move considering how careful everyone else (besides EE apparently) have been with respecting people who have only watched the show.
You need to either delete this or put it under a spoiler tag. Serious dick move considering how careful everyone else (besides EE apparently) have been with respecting people who have only watched the show.
I was already purposely extremely vague but I felt it had to be explained as I was replying to someone who was claiming the backlash was because the game featured a LGBTQ character when that isn't why the game is disliked at all.
Why are you yelling at me? Clearly you didn't understand my post - I already said they should discuss it in the game thread for TLOU2 the video game. You didn't even need to make a new thread, there already was one and we've already had many of these conversations there. All I was saying was that given the nature of the posts already made on this page of the thread, things had already gone over the line to a point where I wouldn't want to read it if I didn't already know what was going on.
Basically, a mod needs to come in and delete some stuff, or alternatively everyone who's posted anything that in any way references TLOU2 should just go back, edit and spoiler tag it and not talk about it in here any more going forward so it doesn't spoil it for the non-game people.
Despite despite acknowleding his point and thanking his posts you're one of the more prolific second game/spoiler tag users.
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You need to either delete this or put it under a spoiler tag. Serious dick move considering how careful everyone else (besides EE apparently) have been with respecting people who have only watched the show.
You know exactly how that statement is giving away quite a bit. You have numerous game players calling you out on it as well. You mention Negan smashing people’s skulls in with a baseball bat when a nearly identical scene happens in the second game for Ellie’s primary motivation? You’re not stupid, so don’t act like people can’t pick up exactly what you’re laying down.
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I was already purposely extremely vague but I felt it had to be explained as I was replying to someone who was claiming the backlash was because the game featured a LGBTQ character when that isn't why the game is disliked at all.
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I get that, but do you understand you gave away some really key elements to the story while doing so? You mention you play as someone you hate because of their actions to the main character while mentioning you want revenge on them. You then also go into great detail about the theme of vengeance being the overarching topic of the game.
In the context you can pretty easily pick up exactly what some major plot points of the story are, as well as the fact there’s a narrative change
I was already purposely extremely vague but I felt it had to be explained as I was replying to someone who was claiming the backlash was because the game featured a LGBTQ character when that isn't why the game is disliked at all.
Yes, the bolded is exactly what I was talking about and exactly why a bunch of us non gamers now have too much of a picture painted. So annoying.
You know exactly how that statement is giving away quite a bit. You have numerous game players calling you out on it as well. You mention Negan smashing people’s skulls in with a baseball bat when a nearly identical scene happens in the second game for Ellie’s primary motivation? You’re not stupid, so don’t act like people can’t pick up exactly what you’re laying down.
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I get that, but do you understand you gave away some really key elements to the story while doing so? You mention you play as someone you hate because of their actions to the main character while mentioning you want revenge on them. You then also go into great detail about the theme of vengeance being the overarching topic of the game.
In the context you can pretty easily pick up exactly what some major plot points of the story are, as well as the fact there’s a narrative change
No I didn't. Below is only for people that played the game.
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The Negan reference is more for when people started turning out TWD. My point is that people will start tuning out when a show takes a turn like that and anyone that played the game knows that there are plenty of examples of brutal stuff like the killing of a pregnant woman. That stuff just isn't going to translate well to TV. Also it's nowhere an identical scene because bats aren't involved and it's not done by a gang leader and really anyone that hasn't played the game could not make a connection there because a) they should not know who dies there and b) even if they misconstrue what I said as character like Negan walking around with a bat in TWD2 they would clearly be wrong as that character doesn't exist in TWD2.
Also I only mentioned that it's bleak and joyless and that's a reference largely to the gameplay not being fun. I don't recall going into great detail (that would be numerous sentences going deep into why with examples) about vengeance being the overarching topic of the game (you sure that wasn't someone else?). Heck I haven't touched any of it in detail at all as the LGBT stuff is a bigger spoiler than anything and that wasn't from me.
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The Negan reference is more for when people started turning out TWD. Joel was killed with a golf club by a woman not a bat by a gang leader and really anyone that hasn't played the game could not make a connection there because a) they should not know Joel dies and b) even if they misconstrue what I said as character like Negan walking around with a bat in TWD2 they would clearly be wrong as that character doesn't exist in TWD2.
Also I only mentioned that it's bleak and joyless and that's a reference largely to the gameplay not being fun. I don't recall going into great detail about vengeance being the overarching topic of the game (you sure that wasn't someone else?). Heck I haven't touched any of it in detail at all.
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That second quote wasn’t yours, it was H&L.
The Negan comparison with that act of violence is just way too on the nose and puts that image in peoples head. It doesn’t matter if you meant it as a metaphor, that’s not how it was taken by most people here, and more than one person has said that to you. You don’t need to defend yourself, just either remove it or mark that post as spoilers as respect for show watchers. There’s already a few posters here that have said these posts have given away more than they wanted to know in a thread that was supposed to be spoiler free.
Considering season one is over, if what you're saying still requires a spoiler tag, then it's probably something you shouldn't be posting in here at all
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Considering season one is over, if what you're saying still requires a spoiler tag, then it's probably something you shouldn't be posting in here at all
Maybe but if someone clicks a spoiler tag then it's on them.
Maybe but if someone clicks a spoiler tag then it's on them.
Indicate better what the spoiler is for. You say “for those that played the game” but which one? TLOU1 or TLOU2? “TLOU2 Spoilers Below” would clear that up, or just posting in Fuzz’s thread, before he finally cracks and turns into late-night Locke.
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