COVID-19 Vaccine Talk, 2nd Dose

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Dion

Getting my 3rd shot tomorrow. I have a mix vaccine record (AZ Pfizer) and need another Pfizer shot to be able to travel to the States to visit my brother and his wife.

Local/state requirements for indoor dining, etc?
The US does not require that you are vaccinated to gain entry, just that you test negative.

[Ryan Coke]

Apparently it’s a new policy starting November 1 when flying into the US, at least I read that in a news story yesterday.

[Ironhorse]

If a person has mixed mRNA doses (Moderna and Pfizer), would they see any problems travelling into the USA and Mexico?

[Robo]

I got my second dose today really freaking excited that I got it done

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Apparently it’s a new policy starting November 1 when flying into the US, at least I read that in a news story yesterday.

Yes the rules are getting simplified in the US. It will easier for foreign travelers to enter the country but require proof of vaccination. As I understand it, November 1 is not a hard date nor has a final decision been made on which vaccines will be accepted.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

If a person has mixed mRNA doses (Moderna and Pfizer), would they see any problems travelling into the USA and Mexico?

Vaccines accepted by the US must be approved for emergency use by the World Health Organization or the US Food and Drug Administration. At the present time, these include Pfizer/BioNtech, AstraZeneca, Janssen (Johnson & Johnson), Moderna, Sinopharm and Sinovac/Coronavac.

Among the vaccines that have not received WHO approval are Sputnik V, Novavax, Abdala and Soberana.

Mixed doses not mentioned, but AZ is on approved list.
But this is not yet policy though, so only speculation.

I think this is repost of NYT article, not behind pay wall.
https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-...ow-so-far.html

[Robo]

Hey guys if I haven't felt side effects from either of the vaccines besides a sore arm is that normal alot of people I talk to say they felt like crap after their second dose my wife couldn't keep her eyes open after her second shot of phizer she slept for like 2 days I haven't felt anything not tired no chills no nausea, does this mean I have already been exposed to covid or the vaccines didn't provide sufficient protection?

[activeStick]

No it doesn't mean that. There's a number of potential side effects from the 1st or 2nd shot of any vaccine ranging from pretty much none to a bunch over 2 or 3 days.

[Strange Brew]

So if you are an American visiting Calgary , I guess you need to carry your vaccine card anytime you want to enter a restaurant or similar facility? There is no app that recognizes your foreign vaccination status that would be recognized is there?

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So if you are an American visiting Calgary , I guess you need to carry your vaccine card anytime you want to enter a restaurant or similar facility? There is no app that recognizes your foreign vaccination status that would be recognized is there?

Yes, carry your proof of vax card. We don’t have an app.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So if you are an American visiting Calgary , I guess you need to carry your vaccine card anytime you want to enter a restaurant or similar facility? There is no app that recognizes your foreign vaccination status that would be recognized is there?

I don’t think any of the other provincial passport programs have apps that recognize foreign vaccine either? Would need physical proof of vaccination almost anywhere in Canada if you are from outside that province.

[activeStick]

Dr. Henry in BC announced that BC residents will not be offered a 3rd shot for the purposes of travel. Being someone who mixed AZ with Moderna, this concerns me, though I think I'm trying to convince myself that she wouldn't come out so firmly on this unless she has some indication that Canadians who travel internationally with mixed doses is close to being accepted by many countries.

I hope so or I won't be able to leave the country until restrictions elsewhere are lifted or BC changes this policy...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8228148/n...es-top-doctor/

[jroc]

Originally Posted by Robo

Hey guys if I haven't felt side effects from either of the vaccines besides a sore arm is that normal alot of people I talk to say they felt like crap after their second dose my wife couldn't keep her eyes open after her second shot of phizer she slept for like 2 days I haven't felt anything not tired no chills no nausea, does this mean I have already been exposed to covid or the vaccines didn't provide sufficient protection?

Is forgetting how to punctuate a common side effect?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Dr. Henry in BC announced that BC residents will not be offered a 3rd shot for the purposes of travel. Being someone who mixed AZ with Moderna, this concerns me, though I think I'm trying to convince myself that she wouldn't come out so firmly on this unless she has some indication that Canadians who travel internationally with mixed doses is close to being accepted by many countries.

I hope so or I won't be able to leave the country until restrictions elsewhere are lifted or BC changes this policy...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8228148/n...es-top-doctor/

I think its mostly a Greta style, "how dare you" to those who still want to travel.

I doubt the Americans have their policy for Nov 1st decided on internally, they certainly haven't shared it with her.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Dr. Henry in BC announced that BC residents will not be offered a 3rd shot for the purposes of travel. Being someone who mixed AZ with Moderna, this concerns me, though I think I'm trying to convince myself that she wouldn't come out so firmly on this unless she has some indication that Canadians who travel internationally with mixed doses is close to being accepted by many countries.

I hope so or I won't be able to leave the country until restrictions elsewhere are lifted or BC changes this policy...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8228148/n...es-top-doctor/

That's not cool BC, especially if there is not a shortage of doses.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think its mostly a Greta style, "how dare you" to those who still want to travel.



I doubt the Americans have their policy for Nov 1st decided on internally, they certainly haven't shared it with her.

I wasn't thinking that other countries have indicated the direction they're leaning to Dr Henry, but that she may have been hearing updates from our federal government on their discussions which I'm guessing have been happening.

No urgency for me personally right now to travel though and I'm certain it'll get sorted out in time.

[cmyden]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Dr. Henry in BC announced that BC residents will not be offered a 3rd shot for the purposes of travel. Being someone who mixed AZ with Moderna, this concerns me, though I think I'm trying to convince myself that she wouldn't come out so firmly on this unless she has some indication that Canadians who travel internationally with mixed doses is close to being accepted by many countries.

I hope so or I won't be able to leave the country until restrictions elsewhere are lifted or BC changes this policy...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8228148/n...es-top-doctor/

Someone recently asked me: "Which countries will accept a double vaccinated person that had to take two different vaccines? Or how to find out?"

I think it would be easier to give you a list of countries where mixed vaccinations are actually an issue. Of the 103 countries a Canadian tourist can currently visit, I would say 101 of them do not have issues with mixed vaccinations.

Here are the 2 I'm aware of where mixed vaccinations are potentially an issue:

Trinidad & Tobago: only accepts certain combinations (they all involve AstraZeneca or Covishield as your first dose)

Ireland: Anecdotally, I often hear people mention that Ireland does not accept mixed vaccinations. And a recent article from the Tourism Ireland board stated: "Mixed dose vaccines are still not recognized in Ireland, however that will likely change in the coming months." However I've also seen recent posts from Canadians with mixed vaccinations that entered without issue.


** Other notes **

United States: Currently, the mainland U.S. does not consider your vaccination status for entry, so it is not currently an issue. But we're still waiting to see what happens in early November when full vaccination will be required for U.S. entry and their policy on mixed doses for entry. We do know that all 4 of the vaccines approved in Canada will be allowed (including AstraZeneca)

Also, U.S. cruise lines departing from U.S. ports have issues with mixed vaccinations (Royal Caribbean recently started allowing them).

United Kingdom: Does not recognize mixed vaccinations, but we are currently on the UK's Green list, so our vaccination status does not matter. Starting on October 4th the UK (England at least) will be recognizing mixed vaccinations.

** places where mixed vaccinations were previously an issue **

Barbados: At one point Barbados wasn't recognizing mixed vaccinations, but they changed their entry policy to allow mixed vaccinations starting July 16th, 2021.

Europe: Not really related to 'mixed' doses per se, but back in July 2021, countries in Europe seemingly had an issue with 'Covishield', although the issue was mainly bureaucratic, being a different name for the same vaccine (AstraZeneca). Since that time, most of these countries have come out and stated they are fine with Covishield now.

Overall I would say this issue is a much bigger deal in the media than in real life. The changes coming to the U.S. entry rules in November have the potential to be the first major issue related to travel and mixed vaccinations, if the U.S. did end up not accepting mixed vaccinations. But we'll just have to wait and see.

Here is a list of the 103 open countries and the entry requirements for each:
https://ydeals.com/where-canadians-can-travel

[Ryan Coke]

Great info, thanks!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I wasn't thinking that other countries have indicated the direction they're leaning to Dr Henry, but that she may have been hearing updates from our federal government on their discussions which I'm guessing have been happening.

No urgency for me personally right now to travel though and I'm certain it'll get sorted out in time.

Sure, but I doubt the Americans have told our Federal government what they're going to do either. Because I don't think they know internally, and even if they did I doubt Canada gets advance notice.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Robo

Hey guys if I haven't felt side effects from either of the vaccines besides a sore arm is that normal alot of people I talk to say they felt like crap after their second dose my wife couldn't keep her eyes open after her second shot of phizer she slept for like 2 days I haven't felt anything not tired no chills no nausea, does this mean I have already been exposed to covid or the vaccines didn't provide sufficient protection?

AZ 1st dose - Felt like a light cold for 4 days, tired and run down.

Pzhier 2 and 3 dose - nothing at all