09-23-2022, 02:58 PM
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#3601
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Sutter said that he thought Johnny was the team's best checker. That's on a team with guys like Backlund and Lindholm.
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TBF, Sutter says checking is not defensive play.
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09-23-2022, 03:03 PM
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#3603
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
TBF, Sutter says checking is not defensive play.
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He also says he doesn't have "lines".
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09-23-2022, 03:11 PM
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#3604
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Franchise Player
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Gaudreau was most improved defensively...certainly not the best IMO
I think he might struggle with that side this season, especially given his linemates
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09-23-2022, 03:12 PM
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#3605
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Sutter also says whatever he thinks the guys in the room need to hear.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
He also says he doesn't have "lines".
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Nah, I see what he's trying to say on this point. He differentiates checking (i.e. harassing the puck carrier up and down the ice) from defending (defensive zone positional play).
I mean they both contribute to lower goals against, but that's just his terminology to keep in mind when he talks about Gaudreau being the best checker.
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09-23-2022, 03:16 PM
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#3606
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Nah, I see what he's trying to say on this point. He differentiates checking (i.e. harassing the puck carrier up and down the ice) from defending (defensive zone positional play).
I mean they both contribute to lower goals against, but that's just his terminology to keep in mind when he talks about Gaudreau being the best checker.
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Yeah, Johnny's a great pickpocket, and he's adept at breaking up passes and interrupting plays,etc....
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09-23-2022, 06:38 PM
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#3607
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GOAT!
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I literally said three things: - If he was bigger and heavier, he'd be Datsyuk 2.0.
- He's very, very good defensively for his size.
- Because of his size he's forced to use his speed and stick instead of his body.
Things I literally did not say: - He's Datsyuk 2.0.
- He's very, very good defensively. Period.
- His size should be ignored when discussing his defensive capabilities, and should therefore be compared to players like Barkov and Bergeron (who do not suffer the drawback of being 4-6 inches shorter and 40-60 lbs lighter than they people they play against).
Edit: To clarify further... I think of Datsyuk and Gaudreau as being equal in terms of skill, creativity, vision and defensive stickwork. Datsyuk, while certainly not a giant, was at least big enough to not be the physical equivalent of a mosquito. I believe that Johnny has the same hockey brain as Datsyuk and would be a generational talent and the best player in the NHL right now, if he was a few inches taller and at least 20lbs heavier.
Last edited by FanIn80; 09-23-2022 at 06:45 PM.
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09-23-2022, 06:46 PM
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#3608
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Gotcha, Goodrow is good at putting up fences but sometimes they’re too short.
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10-12-2022, 10:52 AM
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#3609
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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10-12-2022, 10:54 AM
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#3610
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
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I wonder if Matt will get 115 points playing with those two?
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10-12-2022, 10:54 AM
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#3611
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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I think he envisioned himself on the beach year round with a fat contract. Mission accomplished.
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10-12-2022, 11:01 AM
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#3612
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
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I don't really follow the Panthers but I believe Huberdeau was playing in that spot last year, so they probably always planned for Tkachuk to fit in there. I feel like Tkachuk and Bennett always showed potential as a pairing but never really got a chance to run with it.
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10-12-2022, 11:03 AM
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#3613
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
I don't really follow the Panthers but I believe Huberdeau was playing in that spot last year, so they probably always planned for Tkachuk to fit in there. I feel like Tkachuk and Bennett always showed potential as a pairing but never really got a chance to run with it.
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Playing Tkachuk and Bennett together always seemed like a super obvious decision, yet it pretty much never happened. Always baffled me too. But I look forward to them turning on their coach 1/4 way into the season.
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10-12-2022, 11:25 AM
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#3614
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Franchise Player
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Instead of Lindholm he gets Bennett, instead of Gaudreau he gets Balcers. Just a slight downgrade -- no Barkov for you.
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Playing Tkachuk and Bennett together always seemed like a super obvious decision, yet it pretty much never happened. Always baffled me too. But I look forward to them turning on their coach 1/4 way into the season.
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Because Tkachuk isn't a third liner, and Bennett could never overtake Monahan and Backlund.
I guess we'll see how Bennett's game has rounded out, Tkachuk has always benefitted from strong two-way centres in the past.
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10-12-2022, 11:27 AM
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#3615
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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He would be lucky to get 70 pts with Bennett
Bennett would be lucky to get 50
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10-12-2022, 11:29 AM
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#3616
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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After seeing this i just flipped Bennett to get Weegar in my keeper league. I feel satisfied with myself.
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10-12-2022, 11:29 AM
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#3617
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvp2003
Instead of Lindholm he gets Bennett, instead of Gaudreau he gets Balcers. Just a slight downgrade -- no Barkov for you.
Because Tkachuk isn't a third liner, and Bennett could never overtake Monahan and Backlund.
I guess we'll see how Bennett's game has rounded out, Tkachuk has always benefitted from strong two-way centres in the past.
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Backlund's line should have been the third line all along- as we all were saying and are now seeing. We never gave Bennett enough offensive rope to prove he could be part of a second line, which he has evidently proven since in Florida.
Putting him with a well producing Tkachuk in year 3 of Tkachuk's time here could have provided a much needed offensive spark to both. Tkachuk-Bennett-Mangiapane would have been interesting to watch.
Anyways, I think Bennett is a poor attitude player who struggled with effort and mentality during his later years here. I don't think he was ever going to turn out, and am still not sure he will remain a productive top 6 player. My personal guess is around 40 points this year. But to say he wasn't able to displace monahan or backlund is just malarkey, he was never given even close to a chance to do that.
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10-12-2022, 11:31 AM
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#3618
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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That Panthers team lost so much talent. Huberdeau, Weegar, Giroux, Marchment, Chiarot, Vatrano all gone. Duclair out injured
Verhaeghe-Barkov-Reinhart
Tkachuk-Bennett-Balcers
Luostarinen-Lundell-White
Lomberg-Cousins-Hornqvist
Forsling-Ekblad
Staal-Montour
Mahura-Gudas
That team really lacks depth IMO.
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10-12-2022, 11:36 AM
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#3619
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
That Panthers team lost so much talent. Huberdeau, Weegar, Giroux, Marchment, Vatrano all gone. Duclair out injured
Verhaeghe-Barkov-Reinhart
Tkachuk-Bennett-Balcers
Luostarinen-Lundell-White
Lomberg-Cousins-Hornqvist
Forsling-Ekblad
Staal-Montour
Mahura-Gudas
That team really lacks depth IMO.
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Marc Staal on the 2nd pairing is hilarious. I still think they miss the playoffs.
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10-12-2022, 11:40 AM
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#3620
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
I don't really follow the Panthers but I believe Huberdeau was playing in that spot last year, so they probably always planned for Tkachuk to fit in there. I feel like Tkachuk and Bennett always showed potential as a pairing but never really got a chance to run with it.
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Except Huberdeau was the playmaker on that line not the others
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