The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At most the stick hid the puck for a split second and disguised the shot a little. But even if deflected, it was from a long way out.

It was almost the exact spot Johnny sniped from against Montreal. Mid circle, between the dot and the top of the circle. Not “a long way out”. Right in the “home plate” zone.

Spoiler!

[DeluxeMoustache]

It’s funny the lengths people will go to in order to not give the kid credit. That’s a good goal.

Face it, the Flames just blew it with their highest ever pick. There is no way the Flames turn out smelling like roses here

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

It’s funny the lengths people will go to in order to not give the kid credit. That’s a good goal.

Face it, the Flames just blew it with their highest ever pick. There is no way the Flames turn out smelling like roses here

The problem is people arguing on the extremes. Which is exactly what you are doing.

[Kidder]

Yeah I can get if the Flames let him go to UFA and lost him for nothing. That would be a royal blunder.

Good for Sam. And good for the Flames in netting a return from a team who saw the value and potential in Sam.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

It’s funny the lengths people will go to in order to not give the kid credit. That’s a good goal.

Face it, the Flames just blew it with their highest ever pick. There is no way the Flames turn out smelling like roses here

You mean “good goal” as in “exactly what I posted”?

It was a good shot. The goalie was also rightly upset at himself because it was one that could have been stopped. The two can co-exist.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

As a goalie…. GET YOUR ####ING STICK OUT OF THE WAY!

that’s an easy save without the distraction/mini screen/potential tip from the D’s stick.

Agree on the ‘get your stick out of the way’, it’s nice to see the shot come off the stick

But as for easy? No, that’s a good (/lucky) shot placement. Same as when Johnny scored on Montreal

I say good / lucky because the shooter intends to shoot it generally there, but it’s tough to be that accurate. An inch here or there makes a huge difference. And if you don’t believe me, just look at how often the Flames try to pick corners and can’t even hit the damn net

If you’re a goalie, you’ve been beaten on that shot too

Your trapper doesn’t cover all of the space in that top corner, and you can only move your arm so much in the fraction of a second that it takes after the shot leaves the stick.

Shooters sometimes find holes and sometimes hit the goalie. Luck plays a role.

This reminds me of when a Flame shot it on Allen and hit his pad 10 inches off the ice, people were fawning over the pad save, then Markstrom lets one in, over the pad inside the post (the Iggy special), and people are saying ‘he’s gotta have that one’

If you’re a goalie, I’d be surprised if you don’t look at it like this

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The problem is people arguing on the extremes. Which is exactly what you are doing.

Huh? How is that?

A simple statement that this doesn’t make the Flames look good is extreme?

Offer anything useful?

[SeanCharles]

Just when we all thought we could finally move on from the enigma that is Sam Bennett..

Lol

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Agree on the ‘get your stick out of the way’, it’s nice to see the shot come off the stick

But as for easy? No, that’s a good (/lucky) shot placement. Same as when Johnny scored on Montreal

I say good / lucky because the shooter intends to shoot it generally there, but it’s tough to be that accurate. An inch here or there makes a huge difference. And if you don’t believe me, just look at how often the Flames try to pick corners and can’t even hit the damn net

If you’re a goalie, you’ve been beaten on that shot too

Your trapper doesn’t cover all of the space in that top corner, and you can only move your arm so much in the fraction of a second that it takes after the shot leaves the stick.

Shooters sometimes find holes and sometimes hit the goalie. Luck plays a role.

This reminds me of when a Flame shot it on Allen and hit his pad 10 inches off the ice, people were fawning over the pad save, then Markstrom lets one in, over the pad inside the post (the Iggy special), and people are saying ‘he’s gotta have that one’

If you’re a goalie, I’d be surprised if you don’t look at it like this

Or “much easier”…. Relax and don’t get too tied into one word I used when I clearly linked it to Johnny’s snipe at the top of the page.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I find the question whether it hit the stick or not to be a great example of confirmation bias.
Those that have generally been pro Sam see it go in clean
Those that have generally been not pro Sam see it hit the stick

Frankly I can't tell either way if it did or not with any certainty.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't consider whether or not it was deflected to be relevant to how well he is playing.

Pretty sure I don't have any confirmation bias on it - there was an angle that looked pretty clearly like there was no tip.

But sure, let's make this a contentious issue too.

[Manhattanboy]

Wonder if Darryl was consulted on the Bennett trade.

[TheScorpion]

We've never seen a trade that initially looked bad for the Flames ultimately turn out great. Not even once, and especially not recently.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Huh? How is that?

A simple statement that this doesn’t make the Flames look good is extreme?

Offer anything useful?

"Face it, the Flames just blew it with their highest ever pick. There is no way the Flames turn out smelling like roses here"

Extreme statement to make after 10 games.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I can only speak for myself, but I don't consider whether or not it was deflected to be relevant to how well he is playing.

Pretty sure I don't have any confirmation bias on it - there was an angle that looked pretty clearly like there was no tip.

But sure, let's make this a contentious issue too.

Nor do I. I just think it's an interesting thing. People are literally looking at the same piece of video and reaching opposite conclusions largely aligned to their view on the overall topic.

Again I can't tell if it was or not.
And I don't think it really matters against his overall play either.

[FBI]

Here's what matters to me:
8 GP: 5G, 6A = 11 points

+11, 1.38 PPG, 18:27 avg Ice time

That's not even getting into the corsi stuff...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Nor do I. I just think it's an interesting thing. People are literally looking at the same piece of video and reaching opposite conclusions largely aligned to their view on the overall topic.

Again I can't tell if it was or not.
And I don't think it really matters against his overall play either.

Frankly I was commenting more on how people react to a goal depending on their own bias.

“What a snipe” versus “The goalie has to have that”.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

"Face it, the Flames just blew it with their highest ever pick. There is no way the Flames turn out smelling like roses here"

Extreme statement to make after 10 games.

Haha. No, it’s a statement after 5 years

There has been the argument made for years now about the Flames not getting the most out of the player.

The argument has been that there should be more, but he wasn’t given the opportunity, linemates and stability. There is data that has been presented to support that. Ice time data, line mate (% of time with linemates).

The play driving metrics were there, even strength productivity per 60, playoff results. (Shows up in camp and is put on the 4th line… meanwhile guys like Leivo, Simon etc are gifted decent looks)

In the face of that data, people plug their ears and say ‘nuh uh, it’s on the player, he had his opportunities’.

The player himself in Calgary seems to settle in under Sutter, is quoted saying he thought he had more to give, enjoyed playing under Sutter etc.

Christ, the team bungled their highest ever draft pick for 5 years, and just when there was a glimmer of light, where the player has an actual competent NHL coach and is responding, Tre pulls the plug


So many people have a hypothesis that the player may succeed with a defined role, quality linemates, consistent linemates, good coaching

Look, I don’t expect him to keep up the pace of 1.37 points per game. It’s not about maintaining that level.

It’s about whether the Flames come out looking good. He has accomplished in 8 games there what he would in 30-40 here.

The Flames squandered their highest ever pick, mismanage it for 5 years.
Quenneville calls it a home run

And it’s “extreme” for me to say the Flames don’t come out of this looking good?This is a full on #### show

Frankly, I just have to laugh. Extreme. That’s silly

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by FBI

Here's what matters to me:
8 GP: 5G, 6A = 11 points

+11, 1.38 PPG, 18:27 avg Ice time

That's not even getting into the corsi stuff...

Or the hits. Soooo many hits. It's crazy.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

It’s funny the lengths people will go to in order to not give the kid credit. That’s a good goal.

Face it, the Flames just blew it with their highest ever pick. There is no way the Flames turn out smelling like roses here

Depends on how the two second rounders turn out.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FBI

Here's what matters to me:
8 GP: 5G, 6A = 11 points

+11, 1.38 PPG, 18:27 avg Ice time

That's not even getting into the corsi stuff...

5v5 for the 8 game stretch Bennett has been on Florida...

CF%: 65.22 (2nd on team)
SF%: 63.48 (4th on team)
GF%: 100.00 (1st on team)
xGF%: 73.25 (1st on team)
SCF%: 69.23 (2nd on team)
HDCF%: 74.29 (1st on team)
HDGF%: 100.00 (1st on team)

He isn't even being "lucky". He's freaking dominating when he's on the ice.