Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Can the flames buy him out?

IIRC the bonus structure makes a buyout of very little value.

Nope, the key to this deal is the amount of salary retained, the confirmation about the NMC waiver, and the pick (and condition).

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

How is that relevant?

Rumoured Flames didn’t want to give him 4 years. But they're okay with it for Lucic with a more expensive and restrictive contract.

[CroFlames]

Why?? Deal doesn't make sense hockey wise.

Lucic cannot play NHL level hockey anymore.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Dube

$200 that Neal drops the gloves, in the first regular season head to head?

From exhaustion?

[sleepingmoose]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Rumoured Flames didn’t want to give him 4 years. But they're okay with it for Lucic with a more expensive and restrictive contract.

But by signing Ferland, they still have Neal. I may not like the Lucic deal, but at least it gets rid of Neal.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by jmerkel3d

Does anybody know how many years left on each contact? I feel like lucic should have less...

Same term remaining on both, four more years.

Lucic cap hit is $250,000 more, but it sounds like the Oilers are retaining at least that much, so it will actually cost the Flames less.

Lucic has a full NMC for all four years and a limited NTC for the final two seasons, but we'll see what happens with those. Knowing what we know of Treliving's opinion of NMCs, you'd have to think he'd want Lucic to waive it permanently, if possible.

[MisterJoji]

It’s a major dice roll but imagine the Oiler salt if Talbot puts up <2.50 >.925 and Lucic gets 20/20.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Rumoured Flames didn’t want to give him 4 years. But they're okay with it for Lucic with a more expensive and restrictive contract.

Very different thing because they couldn't afford both Neal and Ferland.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why?? Deal doesn't make sense hockey wise.

Lucic cannot play NHL level hockey anymore.

And Neal can?

[Dube]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why?? Deal doesn't make sense hockey wise.

Lucic cannot play NHL level hockey anymore.

Oh my. Super fan

[schteve_d]

I sincerely hope this is some sort of business move and that twit never once pulls a flaming C sweater over his head.

[Weitz]

Friedman just said he thinks its $600,000 retained.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Rumoured Flames didn’t want to give him 4 years. But they're okay with it for Lucic with a more expensive and restrictive contract.

unless you would rather have ferland than tkachuk its totally irrelevant to this topic

[btimbit]

If Lucic can put up at least 10 more points than last year, and the retention is decent, I won't hate it. But I'm not holding my breath

[Dube]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

From exhaustion?

Something of the sort!

[Barca]

I wonder if the Ferland signing influenced Tre to make this deal.

the thought of Lucic/Kassian and Ferland in the same division must have terrified him, especially with the abuse Gaudreau took last season.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Friedman just said he thinks its $600,000 retained.

I hope this is a typo and it's 6,000,000 retained.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Friedman just said he thinks its $600,000 retained.

Ugh

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Rumoured Flames didn’t want to give him 4 years. But they're okay with it for Lucic with a more expensive and restrictive contract.

The flames don't have the cap room to give Ferland that contract though. They couldn't just magically disappear neal and give Ferland that deal.

I disliked this proposal from the onset, but I can see why Tre and co did it, especially if Neal was unhappy and had a poor attitude about coming back (which I think is very likely given his prolonged absence last season, the rumor that he had taken his stuff out of the locker room for a period, getting healthy scratched in the POs). Neal was also unwilling to adapt his game to the grind and punch style once it was clear he couldn't be an offensive contributor. That is not an issue with Lucic.

The NMC clarity will give me enormous relief. I think I could actually end up really liking this trade.

[Rando]

Wtf