Value of Oliver Ekman-Larsson to Calgary

[1_Flames_Fan]

Too expensive, too long of term, and unknown exactly what we will get from him now or future. Hard pass from me.

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[Toonage]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I look forward to the Flames acquiring OEL and having him pose with Giordano and Hanifin on the cover of the Hockey News with the headline "the best defense in hockey." And then all three of them will be gone within three years.

This....is a pretty solid prediction actually.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This....is a pretty solid prediction actually.

lol, I'm assuming at some point after Bouwmeester was signed the hockey news probably had a cover with him, Phaneuf and Regehr on it proclaiming they were the best D in hockey. Of course as we know all three were gone by 2013 and JBo was signed in 2009.

It seems more like sour grapes than an actual prediction.

[Toonage]

To be fair how many times have the Flames made an acquisition that was followed by media trumpeting that they did in fact have the best defense only to have that squad (predictably?) fall flat. Twice in a little over a decade for sure. With all this OEL talk I could easily see that happening. I think its a little sour grapes and a little history repeating itself.

What's that saying about being doomed to repeat history?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol, I'm assuming at some point after Bouwmeester was signed the hockey news probably had a cover with him, Phaneuf and Regehr on it proclaiming they were the best D in hockey. Of course as we know all three were gone by 2013 and JBo was signed in 2009.

It seems more like sour grapes than an actual prediction.

I remember all 3 of them were predicted to make the Canadian Olympic roster. None did.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I agree that Gio is the asset that has to go if you are bringing in a highly paid defender. He's only got two more seasons left and is no longer a piece to build around.

The flames are most definitely NOT even thinking about parting ways with their captain to make room for an overpaid swede who has a long history of losing LOL

[442scotty]

I wish they’d just put us out of our misery already and get this awful, nightmare of a deal done. You know they are gonna do it just because that’s what Treliving does MOST of the time.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I wish they’d just put us out of our misery already and get this awful, nightmare of a deal done. You know they are gonna do it just because that’s what Treliving does MOST of the time.

What??? How many older high priced d-men did Tre bring in during his tenure?

Also after looking at his contract I can’t see any team trading for him during this flat cap time unless sending huge money back.

[Owen15]

How about a situation where Phoenix retains 50% for the next three years? Still tons of back end risk but I imagine by then either league revenues rebound or there’s might be some opportunity to do some non cap hitting buyouts to reset to the new normal.

In this situation I think a first or a second and prospect is fair.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Owen15

How about a situation where Phoenix retains 50% for the next three years? Still tons of back end risk but I imagine by then either league revenues rebound or there’s might be some opportunity to do some non cap hitting buyouts to reset to the new normal.

In this situation I think a first or a second and prospect is fair.

If they retain on the contract it's for every year remaining, you can't retain for X amount of years and then have the retention just stop.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Owen15

How about a situation where Phoenix retains 50% for the next three years? Still tons of back end risk but I imagine by then either league revenues rebound or there’s might be some opportunity to do some non cap hitting buyouts to reset to the new normal.

In this situation I think a first or a second and prospect is fair.

Is that you Paul Fenton?

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is that you Paul Fenton?

I’d ask wtf that means but then I’d expose that I’m just a fan following along and not a CP know it all.

[Eric Vail]

No 7 year contracts for declining veterans please. Not for Ekman-Larson, not for Hall. 90% of the time these turn into anchors somewhere around year 2-4.

Only a team on the cusp of winning the cup should take on these contracts.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Owen15

I’d ask wtf that means but then I’d expose that I’m just a fan following along and not a CP know it all.

The GM in Minnesota (Fenton) who was on the job for a year reportedly did not understand that salary retention could not be for a portion of a contract instead of the entire duration.

I think the Flames were in the process of taking him to the cleaners at the deadline prior to Fenton being made to understand this particular piece if information.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What??? How many older high priced d-men did Tre bring in during his tenure?

As much as some of us like to Condemn the Hamonic trade today. The reason the Flames paid that hefty price was because at the time Hamonic was still pretty young and he was thought to be on a high value contract.

Outside of signing England which I will always say proved to be one of his best free agent signings, he's generally been after defenceman who are 26 and younger.

Oddly enough Jason Gregor here in Edmonton used to always go on about how good Hamonic was and why the Oilers should trade for him. He used to do the same with Ekman-Larsson. That alone gives me trepidation on the player.

[The Original FFIV]

The good news is Boston is in on OEL according to both Marek and Friedman.

With his NMC, doesn’t matter if we want him more or can offer a better package. Player gets to pick. And I’m sure he picks Boston over us.

Skip to l 1:02 where you hear them mention Boston connected to OEL

https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/31-thou...lost-what-now/

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by David Struch

If Sam truly wants out, Ryan appears to have fallen out of favour, so, 3rd line centre (Conroy 2.0?)



Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm

Hall - Backlund - Tkachuk

Mangiapane - Stepan - Dubé

Hold up. Are there reports that Bennett wants out? Or are you reporting this?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

As much as some of us like to Condemn the Hamonic trade today. The reason the Flames paid that hefty price was because at the time Hamonic was still pretty young and he was thought to be on a high value contract.

Outside of signing England which I will always say proved to be one of his best free agent signings, he's generally been after defenceman who are 26 and younger.

Oddly enough Jason Gregor here in Edmonton used to always go on about how good Hamonic was and why the Oilers should trade for him. He used to do the same with Ekman-Larsson. That alone gives me trepidation on the player.

The price was too high in hindsight but Treliving likely had a reasonable belief that the pick wouldn’t be as high as it was. The Flames were tracking to have a pick around 21 IRRC.

[Dragomir]

It would be so Flames to give up a first and prospects for a declining overpaid D-man. Hard pass on OEL and Hall.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol, I'm assuming at some point after Bouwmeester was signed the hockey news probably had a cover with him, Phaneuf and Regehr on it proclaiming they were the best D in hockey. Of course as we know all three were gone by 2013 and JBo was signed in 2009.

It seems more like sour grapes than an actual prediction.

This is correct. I remember getting that issue in the mail and getting hyped. Phaneuf was gone three months later.