07-31-2019, 11:59 AM
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#41
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Try to take off the Flames goggles .
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Where can you pick these things up?
Can they be prescription?
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07-31-2019, 12:00 PM
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#42
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Stone lost his spot *twice*.
Once in November, once again in the playoffs.
Beat out for a spot by both Fantenberg AND Valimaki (twice).
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07-31-2019, 12:02 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Look at the salaries that Fantanberg and Prout signed for this off season. Gives you an idea what Stone’s value would be pegged at around the league.
Seems pretty clear Peters is not a fan of Stone which limits his usefulness to the Flames unfortunately.
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There is a lot wrong with this post. First off comparing Stone who is a solid 5-6 guy who can move up in a pinch to the value of two borderline NHLers is not accurate. He was also hurt for all of last season so speculating on his relationship with Peters is also kind of ridiculous.
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07-31-2019, 12:04 PM
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#44
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Stone lost his spot *twice*.
Once in November, once again in the playoffs.
Beat out for a spot by both Fantenberg AND Valimaki (twice).
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Nah, it was once. Lost it and never got it back. Only played three games down the stretch to rest others.
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07-31-2019, 12:04 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rando
More of a list of things that happened then a time line. 
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So if you agree that Stone was passed on the depth chart prior to injuries, isn't it clear how the coach views him? I don’t see what you’re trying to argue here.
I’ve said many times that I believe buyouts are a bad idea but we know current management doesn’t think that way. I expect they place very little value on Stone as a seventh defenseman.
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07-31-2019, 12:07 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
There is a lot wrong with this post. First off comparing Stone who is a solid 5-6 guy who can move up in a pinch to the value of two borderline NHLers is not accurate. He was also hurt for all of last season so speculating on his relationship with Peters is also kind of ridiculous.
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It’s not a relationship thing. I believe Peters was icing the best lineup he can and doesn’t take much analysis to see where Stone fit when healthy.
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07-31-2019, 12:07 PM
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#47
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Lifetime Suspension
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Not being a fan of someone, hockey or life, generally means you don't like them. Peters might think Stone is a good depth player but he was just passed by too many guys in Calgary.
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07-31-2019, 12:07 PM
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#48
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Stone lost his spot *twice*.
Once in November, once again in the playoffs.
Beat out for a spot by both Fantenberg AND Valimaki (twice).
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I think he just lost out to Andersson
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07-31-2019, 12:15 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Where can you pick these things up?
Can they be prescription?
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No but come in all team brands. Other teams fan's with their branded fan goggles are just waiting for the Flames to flip them a third round pick for their contract mistakes that are actually pretty good players... or were pretty good at some point in their careers or might be pretty good in the future...... but surely would play top-6 top-4 with the Flames.
Last edited by ricardodw; 07-31-2019 at 12:18 PM.
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07-31-2019, 12:17 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rando
Not being a fan of someone, hockey or life, generally means you don't like them. Peters might think Stone is a good depth player but he was just passed by too many guys in Calgary.
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Why does it matter what Peters thinks of Stone as a person when we’re talking about icing a hockey team? If I didn’t know better, I’d guess you’re trying to parse words to prove some kind of made up point.
Just so it’s abundantly clear, I have no idea how Peters views Stone as a citizen. I do have a reasonable idea of where he sees him fitting in the lineup though.
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07-31-2019, 12:17 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Look at the salaries that Fantanberg and Prout signed for this off season. Gives you an idea what Stone’s value would be pegged at around the league.
Seems pretty clear Peters is not a fan of Stone which limits his usefulness to the Flames unfortunately.
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Pretty well establishes "Strange Brew" as a Ricardodw alternate account. Notice you didn't quote yourself this time!!
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07-31-2019, 12:18 PM
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#53
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Why does it matter what Peters thinks of Stone as a person when we’re talking about icing a hockey team? If I didn’t know better, I’d guess you’re trying to parse words to prove some kind of made up point.
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Not as a person... 
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07-31-2019, 12:39 PM
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#54
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Scoring Winger
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Getting beat out by Andersson doesn't mean you're not an NHL D. I still believe Stone is a solid bottom-pairing RD. His main issue is that we have 3 top-4 quality RD ahead of him on the depth chart.
That being said, I think the more relevant fact is that Prout got ice time ahead of Stone down the stretch. It could just be that Stone hadn't seen game action since November, so Peters was more comfortable having Prout in. Or it could be that Peters had Stone behind Prout in his rankings, which would be pretty damning for Stone.
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07-31-2019, 01:30 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Kovaz
That being said, I think the more relevant fact is that Prout got ice time ahead of Stone down the stretch. It could just be that Stone hadn't seen game action since November, so Peters was more comfortable having Prout in. Or it could be that Peters had Stone behind Prout in his rankings, which would be pretty damning for Stone.
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Flames defense pairings had chemistry going into the playoffs, and Stone was returning from a major injury. I think those were major factors in him not playing significantly towards the end of the season.
Irrespective of that, the Flames d-core the upcoming season is going to be stronger than the beginning of last year, with Valimaki and Andersson improving over the course of 2018-19. Stone probably will find himself out, and at 3.5million that is an expensive #6/7. Doesn't mean that he isn't a serviceable bottom pairing d-man. He just is lower down the flames depth chart.
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07-31-2019, 01:31 PM
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#56
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovaz
Getting beat out by Andersson doesn't mean you're not an NHL D. I still believe Stone is a solid bottom-pairing RD. His main issue is that we have 3 top-4 quality RD ahead of him on the depth chart.
That being said, I think the more relevant fact is that Prout got ice time ahead of Stone down the stretch. It could just be that Stone hadn't seen game action since November, so Peters was more comfortable having Prout in. Or it could be that Peters had Stone behind Prout in his rankings, which would be pretty damning for Stone.
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And then Fantenberg got ice over Stone and Prout.
And then Valimaki got ice over Fantenberg, Stone and Prout.
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07-31-2019, 01:33 PM
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#57
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
No but come in all team brands. Other teams fan's with their branded fan goggles are just waiting for the Flames to flip them a third round pick for their contract mistakes that are actually pretty good players... or were pretty good at some point in their careers or might be pretty good in the future...... but surely would play top-6 top-4 with the Flames.
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Just so tiresome that you have to label/diminish those that disagree with you rather than just making the case that the player doesn't have much value.
It's not just you, others do it too. But I just disregard the rest of the comment from that point on as dribble.
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07-31-2019, 01:34 PM
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#58
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
And then Fantenberg got ice over Stone and Prout.
And then Valimaki got ice over Fantenberg, Stone and Prout.
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All of that after missing almost the entire season with a blood clot. Not sure he was ever in the mix to steal a job down the stretch given his inactivity
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07-31-2019, 01:44 PM
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#59
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
All of that after missing almost the entire season with a blood clot. Not sure he was ever in the mix to steal a job down the stretch given his inactivity
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I agree.
A guy on the bubble couldn't get back in after being away from the ice for 40 games.
But he had already essentially lost his job to Valimaki by November. If he had the same contract as Prout, does he even make it to November ahead of Valimaki? I don't think so.
Flames rookies were pushing and he was the first casualty.
The situation hasn't exactly improved for Stone either.
Buyout seems more or less inevitable.
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07-31-2019, 01:45 PM
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#60
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Just so tiresome that you have to label/diminish those that disagree with you rather than just making the case that the player doesn't have much value.
It's not just you, others do it too. But I just disregard the rest of the comment from that point on as dribble.
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It diminishes the value of the ingore function when people keep quoting certain posters 
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