[Signing] Leafs sign Marner to 6 year deal ($10.893mil AAV) - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

ST20 · 09-13-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shogged

how long until the league clamps down on these signing bonus based contracts?

Why would they? It doesn't circumvent the cap. It's a financial risk for the team providing it but it is also a benefit of being a big market team that can afford to do it. I see no issues with it. It's no different than being based out of Florida or Vegas and having a tax advantage.

Ped · 09-13-2019, 06:51 PM

Wait until Rielly is up.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2019, 06:56 PM

It's actually the other players that should be hating the bonus deals.

Not only does Marner's $66M contract contribute to a larger escrow rollback, but Marner, himself, will be immune from said escrow. And also immune from a strike or lockout

Winsor_Pilates · 09-13-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Marner is getting paid minimum NHL salary every year and the rest are signing bonuses

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The #MapleLeafs Mitch Marner 6 year $10.893M Cap Hit:

-Yr 1: $700K Base, $15.3M SB
-Yr 2: $700K & $14.3M SB
-Yr 3: $750K & $9.608M SB
-Yr 4: $750K & $7.25M SB
-Yr 5: $750K & $7.25M SB
-Yr 6: $750K, $7.25M SB

Rep’d by Darren Ferris

Why is this?

Enoch Root · 09-13-2019, 06:59 PM

Oh wait... bonuses are still subject to escrow, right?

ST20 · 09-13-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by agulati

Leafs forward salary bias is going to screw them over. 4 players making 40 million+ combined, is absolutely crazy.

I think all of the talk about the Leafs overpaying their forwards is a little overblown. The main issue is if they do not perform. This that doesn't seem like a big risk for Matthews or Marner (especially considering Marner plays with Tavares who will keep his stats up). Having a bunch of good young players on contracts without no trades is always an asset that they can trade if they are finding that it is not working. As far as i can tell from CapFriendly, Tavares is the only leaf with a no trade (no movement). If it comes out that Marner also has a no trade clause then feel free to talk about over payment on forwards but as long as there is none and they can be traded for other pieces I don't see a problem with it.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Why is this?

Good for the player, because they get their bonus even if there is a strike or lockout.

Petentially beneficial to the team as well, because after they pay the bonus on July 1st, the player only costs $700k for the rest of the year. Makes them more tradeable.

sureLoss · 09-13-2019, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Oh wait... bonuses are still subject to escrow, right?

yes

sureLoss · 09-13-2019, 07:08 PM

per the Athletic the NHL wants address signing bonuses but it is unclear if it will become a sticking point for them in the latest CBA negotiations

https://theathletic.com/1209046/2019...-this-weekend/

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Sources have also confirmed that the NHL would like to address signing bonuses and front-loaded contracts, which the league feels offers a competitive advantage to big-market or big-budget teams. These big-budget teams, some of which live in areas of high tax rates, would respond that this is how they are able to compete for top talent when they can’t offer them the same dollar-for-dollar net as a place with more player-friendly tax advantages.

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Whether signing bonuses and front-loaded contracts become a sticking point for the league is not immediately known, nor is it clear if that’s something that the NHLPA would be willing to bend on in return for other compensatory benefits, such as post-career health care, which is believed to be a priority.

Jacks · 09-13-2019, 07:08 PM

Another amazing contract by Dumbas, way to hyperinflate the RFA market and taint the contract structure for everyone else you dufus.

topfiverecords · 09-13-2019, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Another amazing contract by Dumbas, way to hyperinflate the RFA market and taint the contract structure for everyone else you dufus.

How? Marner is worth that compared to a bunch of other contracts lately.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2019, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

How? Marner is worth that compared to a bunch of other contracts lately.

Well, compared to Dubas' other contracts maybe.

Jacks · 09-13-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

How? Marner is worth that compared to a bunch of other contracts lately.

Take out the contracts from Tor and Edm and see how it compares. The teams who go far in the playoffs have their stars on good deals and lots of depth. The Leafs have the depth of a finger bowl. 4 players eating up half the cap, yikes.

Aarongavey · 09-13-2019, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Why is this?

I suspect because the time value of that money from July 1st until end of season if he gets a 7 percent return is roughly another 600,000 dollars in year one (this year). If he invested the bonus in year two over the three months before an nhl player even receives a cheque he would get an additional 250,000 at 7 percent in the first 3 months. Nice easy way for the player to make more money than the yearly contract amount. Front loading those bonuses means he probably will earn closer to 11.5 each year (in a world with no escrow, either way his money will make money it would not have made if he had to wait until March and April for his big cheques).

nik- · 09-13-2019, 07:32 PM

Dubas is trash.

Luder · 09-13-2019, 07:33 PM

Clever

DeluxeMoustache · 09-13-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, compared to Dubas' other contracts maybe.

Exactly

Dubas is a ####ing idiot

ForeverFlameFan · 09-13-2019, 07:58 PM

Those who are complaining about Marner getting paid should really put the blame on Matthews. Yes, Matthews probably will be the better player in the future but he never really earned the contract that he just signed. Marner at least has been consistent, being the top scorer for the Leafs for 2/3 years. Not his fault Matthews keeps getting injured.

ComixZone · 09-13-2019, 08:02 PM

13.36% of the salary cap for an elite RW’er for 6 years, all prime years - no excess, post-apex years.

This is how contracts should be.

I hope we manage 8 years, 80M for Tkachuk.

Owen15 · 09-13-2019, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ST20

Why would they? It doesn't circumvent the cap. It's a financial risk for the team providing it but it is also a benefit of being a big market team that can afford to do it. I see no issues with it. It's no different than being based out of Florida or Vegas and having a tax advantage.

This is exactly why it should be clamped down on.

I have two beefs:

1) Relative differences in taxes from location to location. I think the cap should be in after tax dollars.
2) The ability of wealthy teams backed by big balance sheet corporations to leverage time value of money to make their location more attractive than other franchises. The yearly payments should be +-10% of the AAV of the contract.

Level the playing field.