Let's Talk about the Calgary Police Service

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Fire

I agree not the best comment and could have been worded better, but really stupid by the guy to get out of his vehicle and dig around your backseat when an officer pulls you over.

Agreed. Really dumb choice of words for sure, but;

In a statement to CTV, CPS said “at that time the driver exited the vehicle and began to grab items from the back seat of his car. The officer directed the driver several times to refrain from doing so, and asked to see the driver’s hands, explaining that it is an officer-safety issue.”

I can see where the officer is coming from

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Fire

I agree not the best comment and could have been worded better, but really stupid by the guy to get out of his vehicle and dig around your backseat when an officer pulls you over. It's really simple, if you are pulled over by the police, don't disobey the police officer instructions.

Doesn't sound like he was being pulled over when he got out....

The 18-year-old initially saw the police officer at a four-way stop near the Happy Can Bottle Depot around 9 in the morning. Ghanem says he stopped and turned into the parking lot of the depot, parked his car and started to take the bags of bottles out. It was then he alleges the police officer pulled into the lot and started yelling at him to get back in his car.

But why can't it just be a stupid thing for a cop to say? Why is bad behavior always someone else's fault?

[Fire]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Doesn't sound like he was being pulled over when he got out....

Read the entire article, not just the start where he tries to make it sound like he was minding his own business at the bottle depot when a cop happens to walk by. The guy was pulled over.

[btimbit]

Sounds like the cop pulled up after he was already stopped and out, but the kid kept rooting around his back seat after being asked to stop. That's absolutely a legit concern for the police, even if what he said wasn't the right way to handle it.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Fire

Read the entire article, not just the start where he tries to make it sound like he was minding his own business at the bottle depot when a cop happens to walk by. The guy was pulled over.

I read the whole article and it's unclear. But the guy says he pulled in...took stuff out of his back seat when the cop pulled in and told him he was in danger of being shot. It sounds to me like he wasnt being pursued by a cop with flashing lights. Do you have more info? I also don't believe the seatbelt ticket either.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Fire

I agree not the best comment and could have been worded better, but really stupid by the guy to get out of his vehicle and dig around your backseat when an officer pulls you over. It's really simple, if you are pulled over by the police, don't disobey the police officer instructions.

The cop was looking for an altercation. If the cop saw the kid not wearing a seatbelt why did he not stop him right away and give him a ticket? The cop followed him to the parking lot of a bottle depot and wanted an altercation. The "you cannot disobey a police officer" remark is silly. If someone didn't do anything wrong why does the police have a right to treat someone like that?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

The cop was looking for an altercation. If the cop saw the kid not wearing a seatbelt why did he not stop him right away and give him a ticket? The cop followed him to the parking lot of a bottle depot and wanted an altercation. The "you cannot disobey a police officer" remark is silly. If someone didn't do anything wrong why does the police have a right to treat someone like that?

Were you there or something?

The article makes it sound like the cop saw him just as he turned into the parking lot, not pulling up until the kid was already parked makes sense to me

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Fire

Read the entire article, not just the start where he tries to make it sound like he was minding his own business at the bottle depot when a cop happens to walk by. The guy was pulled over.

He wasn't pulled over. He was at the parking lot of the bottle Depot when the police officer approached him.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Were you there or something?

The article makes it sound like the cop saw him just as he turned into the parking lot, not pulling up until the kid was already parked makes sense to me

The article says he parked his car and started getting the bottles out of his car, that's when the police pulled into the parking lot.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

The article says he parked his car and started getting the bottles out of his car, that's when the police pulled into the parking lot.

So the cop sees him pulling in without a seatbelt on, and by the time he turned around and pulled in behind him the kid was already out. He gets back in, then when the cop is talking to him, he gets back out

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

He wasn't pulled over. He was at the parking lot of the bottle Depot when the police officer approached him.

I think the timeline is:
Sees cop at 4-way stop.
he went in the bottle depot parking lot.
Got out of his car to get bottles.
Police officer tells him he’s getting a ticket and to go back in car
Got back into his car.
Realized they could be spilling
Got back out of his car to fix the bottles
Cop tells him get back in the car that’s how you get shot.

It’s all in the article. I don’t see the ambiguity you guys are talking about.

The 18-year-old initially saw the police officer at a four-way stop near the Happy Can Bottle Depot around 9 in the morning. Ghanem says he stopped and turned into the parking lot of the depot, parked his car and started to take the bags of bottles out. It was then he alleges the police officer pulled into the lot and started yelling at him to get back in his car.


Ghanem says the officer was ticketing him for not wearing seatbelt, something the teen says is untrue.

Ghanem says he got back into his vehicle but wanted to make sure the bottles in his bag weren’t leaking so he went back outside the vehicle to double check.

“I told him I don’t want the milk to leak into my car because it stinks,” said Ghanem.

“And he said that is not my problem and that’s one way to get shot. I looked at him like ... shot with a gun? It honestly blew my mind that he said that to me.”

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

He wasn't pulled over. He was at the parking lot of the bottle Depot when the police officer approached him.

The way I take it, he was approached in the parking lot by a cop assuming in full uniform and a police car after he parked? Doesn't that still mean he was "pulled over"? I mean you don't actually have to be driving when the traffic stop occurs do you?

So the cop sees him driving to the depot without a seatbelt, guy parks, traffic stop happens. Guy gets out, goes to his back seat and reaches in or otherwise is moving things around this in his backseat. I am sure that caused some alarm bells to go off with the cop and I don't think that's unreasonable. The comment obviously should have been worded better.

The fact is, there are alot of people on this board that have a view of the profession and NOTHING will change the way they perceive any event involving misconduct (posts 939 and 945 are good examples).

These threads have become an echo chamber of the like minded and any notion that you could have even a slightly nuanced conversation is a complete fallacy.

[Fire]

I would need to see the camera footage because the article is unclear on what happens. If the guy didn't know the officer have pulled him over when he was grabbing at his bottles then it's makes the cop look a lot worse. The article did say the guy was warned to show his hands multiple times, but without video it's hard to say how unresponsive he was being.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

The way I take it, he was approached in the parking lot by a cop assuming in full uniform and a police car after he parked? Doesn't that still mean he was "pulled over"? I mean you don't actually have to be driving when the traffic stop occurs do you?

So the cop sees him driving to the depot without a seatbelt, guy parks, traffic stop happens. Guy gets out, goes to his back seat and reaches in or otherwise is moving things around this in his backseat. I am sure that caused some alarm bells to go off with the cop and I don't think that's unreasonable. The comment obviously should have been worded better.

The fact is, there are alot of people on this board that have a view of the profession and NOTHING will change the way they perceive any event involving misconduct (posts 939 and 945 are good examples).

These threads have become an echo chamber of the like minded and any notion that you could have even a slightly nuanced conversation is a complete fallacy.

If a cop randomly starts yelling "get back in your car" out of nowhere, how does the person know their being pulled over?

[PepsiFree]

I think regardless of what the exact details were, telling someone in this situation “that’s one way to get shot” is insane.

If a cop is so scared of the people they’re protecting or so stupid that they think shooting is a reasonable response, they should not be a cop. The fact that we excuse even the idea that this person may have done something worthy of being shot and killed is ridiculous.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

If a cop randomly starts yelling "get back in your car" out of nowhere, how does the person know their being pulled over?

If it was me and a cop was yelling at me to get back in my car, I guess that's how I would know.

But are we discussing the article or just random encounters?

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think regardless of what the exact details were, telling someone in this situation “that’s one way to get shot” is insane.

If a cop is so scared of the people they’re protecting or so stupid that they think shooting is a reasonable response, they should not be a cop. The fact that we excuse even the idea that this person may have done something worthy of being shot and killed is ridiculous.

Seriously man, why do you always go there?

While at times, I think you have good things to say, why must you always try and get your point across by using hyperbole and calling people stupid or otherwise tossing out insults at things or people you disagree with.

I am not even sure you're aware you do it. As I said, I think you have some good things to contribute, but lately, you have really gone off the rails. Can I buzz buddy you a beer or something?

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

If it was me and a cop was yelling at me to get back in my car, I guess that's how I would know.

But are we discussing the article or just random encounters?

Why should anyone have the right to tell me to get back into your car if you've done nothing wrong. If I've done something wrong and I'm told by a police officer to get in my car then I agree.

The police should be able to deescalate a situation, not make it worse. And by saying "this is how you get shot" shows the officer was never in a mindset to deescalate the situation.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Why should anyone have the right to tell me to get back into your car if you've done nothing wrong. If I've done something wrong and I'm told by a police officer to get in my car then I agree.

The police should be able to deescalate a situation, not make it worse. And by saying "this is how you get shot" shows the officer was never in a mindset to deescalate the situation.

But didn't the article say he wasn't wearing a seatbelt? Again, are we talking about this incident or something else?

I reread the article, it seems to me the comment was made after the situation was "deescalated". It was a poorly worded teaching moment that way I read it.

Either way, we can all agree, the journalist that wrote the article likely should have been clearer. But I won't judge an entire profession over a few poorly written articles. But that's just how I roll.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Why should anyone have the right to tell me to get back into your car if you've done nothing wrong. If I've done something wrong and I'm told by a police officer to get in my car then I agree.

The police should be able to deescalate a situation, not make it worse. And by saying "this is how you get shot" shows the officer was never in a mindset to deescalate the situation.

He did comply with the police officers initial request to get back in the car and appears to have known at that point the police officer was giving him a ticket. So it appears the bolded is what was happening at the start of the situation.