Stamkos and Kucherov miraculously healthy for game 1.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You mean when they already passed inspection?

They may claim it's not a duck, but when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, and has the DNA of a duck, you would have to think the league is going to figure out it is a duck.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

To me this is obvious cap circumvention. The league won't bat an eye. I hope the Panthers sweep them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spo...nthers/sn-amp/

Totally agree,

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

As long as the paper work is in order (medical advice from doctors) there is nothing that the league can do.

Then those are some shady doctors considering Kucherov was practicing with the team two months ago.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

As long as the paper work is in order (medical advice from doctors) there is nothing that the league can do.

I guess, I doubt the league will even ask for "paper work"

Its a huge loop hole that has to be fixed.

[browntrout]

The very definition of cap circumvention gives it power to investigate these issues, so although Tampa is technically playing by the rules, they are still circumventing the cap, I don't know how much more obvious it can be. I remember when the league came down hard on the devil's for the Ilya Kovalchuk contract, it was technically legit, but the league nailed them on cap circumvention, as the definition as mentioned before leads to interpretation. He was ready to play before the playoffs, I mean how much clearer can it be

[WCW Nitro]

I am not so sure this was by design, keeping your best forward out for the whole season and then expecting him to be back in top form for the playoffs

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I am not so sure this was by design, keeping your best forward out for the whole season and then expecting him to be back in top form for the playoffs

They would have lost a very good player permanently, if you were in there shoes would you rather lose that "very good player" permanently or lose him for the reg season and get him back in the playoffs, the choice seem obvious to me IMO

[Locke]

Originally Posted by New Era

They may claim it's not a duck, but when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, and has the DNA of a duck, you would have to think the league is going to figure out it is a duck.

I'm not certain we're talking about the same League here.

That Duck could bite them in the nuts and they still wouldnt figure it out.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by AC

Agreed.

Why not just have the cap still apply in the playoffs?

How are you going to calculate it? Players don't get paid during the playoffs.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

If you can make the playoffs without your two best players, all the power to you.

We can't even make the playoffs with our two best players.

They made the playoffs spending to the cap then add two stars. It’s not like they had two hands tied behind their back

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I am not so sure this was by design, keeping your best forward out for the whole season and then expecting him to be back in top form for the playoffs

Well there's a pretty obvious benefit to being able to circumvent the cap.

Sutter kind of did this with Anders Eriksson. Buried him in the minors to get under the cap and then suddenly was in the top 6 for the playoffs. Little different level of player involved.

Stamkos did play this season though. It's the Kucherov thing that really stinks.

Wouldn't it be as simple as having the cap apply to the playoffs as well?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

How are you going to calculate it? Players don't get paid during the playoffs.

Just carry over the AAV's/cap hits of the player's contract.

Even though they don't get paid, the team can only ice a roster that still is sound with the salary cap limit based on players cap hit for the season.

[AC]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

How are you going to calculate it? Players don't get paid during the playoffs.

I guess by just using their AAVs for the season.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by AC

Agreed.

Why not just have the cap still apply in the playoffs? I don't see why a contending team should actually benefit from a star player getting near the deadline so they can stick them on LTIR and use that now available cap to add another big ticket player, then add the injured player back when they're healthy.

The problem is players get hurt quite a bit in the playoffs. And to put a player on LTIR they have to miss 10 games or 21 days.

So what happens when a couple players get hurt but the team doesn't want to put them on LTIR because they are hoping they can bring the players back maybe in a few games. Problem is if they are already tight to the cap they can't bring anyone else in to replace those players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

The problem is players get hurt quite a bit in the playoffs. And to put a player on LTIR they have to miss 10 games or 21 days.

So what happens when a couple players get hurt but the team doesn't want to put them on LTIR because they are hoping they can bring the players back maybe in a few games. Problem is if they are already tight to the cap they can't bring anyone else in to replace those players.

Manage your team better so you aren't over the cap...LTIR could be adjusted for the playoffs

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Just carry over the AAV's/cap hits of the player's contract.

Even though they don't get paid, the team can only ice a roster that still is sound with the salary cap limit based on players cap hit for the season.

So a guy breaks his leg and you have to play 6 million short all year?

Or he gets better and can’t play?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Just carry over the AAV's/cap hits of the player's contract.

Even though they don't get paid, the team can only ice a roster that still is sound with the salary cap limit based on players cap hit for the season.

You'd have to have some sort of cushion, otherwise you'd be punishing the teams that played under the cap for most of the season in order to save up space to add salary at the deadline.



With the NHL's track record, it seems like any time a rule is changed to address a rare situation, it seems to backfire and lead to unintended consequences down the road.

For that reason, it's probably better to just leave it as it is. For most teams, playing without your best players for a large chunk of the season is a bigger punishment than anything else the league could hand out anyway, so it's not like this is ever going to be a major problem.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by getbak

You'd have to have some sort of cushion, otherwise you'd be punishing the teams that played under the cap for most of the season in order to save up space to add salary at the deadline.



With the NHL's track record, it seems like any time a rule is changed to address a rare situation, it seems to backfire and lead to unintended consequences down the road.

For that reason, it's probably better to just leave it as it is. For most teams, playing without your best players for a large chunk of the season is a bigger punishment than anything else the league could hand out anyway, so it's not like this is ever going to be a major problem.

Like when they changed the draft rules which allowed the oilers to win the mcdavid lottery? Ha.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So a guy breaks his leg and you have to play 6 million short all year?

Or he gets better and can’t play?

If you can't dress a roster that can make you afford to bring that player back in, then you can't play him. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure of the roster their icing right now. Would it have been cap compliant during the season?

Originally Posted by getbak

You'd have to have some sort of cushion, otherwise you'd be punishing the teams that played under the cap for most of the season in order to save up space to add salary at the deadline.

Would they still need to ice a roster that respects the cap tho? I'm just saying whatever rule they have to deal with in game 82, 60, or whatever to be legal within the cap, should apply for playoff games also.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Like when they changed the draft rules which allowed the oilers to win the mcdavid lottery? Ha.

I was thinking more about the coach's challenge, but yes, that BS too.