Sutter "We've given the kids who deserve it, a look"

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Zary wasn't a long shot for his draft slot. At all.

[TheScorpion]

Ricardo really bemoaning the Flames passing on Braden Schneider to pick Zary? You've gotta be kidding me.

Please, trust me on this one: Zary is really good.

[GioforPM]

All Zary has done since the draft is score 24 points in 15 games in the W and 7 in 9 in the AHL.

Schneider was one of the oldest players in the draft so yeah, he’s doing well (and I see that he was pretty consistently ranked below Zary).

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It was worse than that. 6 picks after Rambolt was selected out of the Swiss-A league Bergeron was picked from Acadie-Bathurst AND was playing 71 game for the Bruins and 7 in the playoffs starting 4 months later.

At least Weber had to go back to Kelowna for 2 years and then 46 games in the AHL. Bergeron was an NHL player immediately after he was drafted.

I think the Flames as an organization have been trying to show that they are the smartest guys in the room by going for the long shots rather than picking the crowd supported obvious better guys.... Chucko over Zajac,

Rather than Zajac the Flames got Chucko and then 2 3rd round Picks Prust and Boyd.

Jankowski over anyone else that anyone thought was a 1st round pick,

Hate to think how good the guys the Flames passed on to get Zary will turn out. Already Schneider 6-2 210 RD who was there for the Flames actual pick has been selected to play for Canada at the World Championships

Schneider has done anything but light up the WHL.

I mean if wanted a guaranteed NHLer, the likes of whom can be signed every off season for the minimum cap hit, by all means, take a bunt at the draft.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Plus I honestly don't care who Team Canada picks to play at the worlds including as some sort of gauge of the quality of a prospect.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Plus I honestly don't care who Team Canada picks to play at the worlds including as some sort of gauge of the quality of a prospect.

There’s a lot that goes into it, especially during COVID, which probably causes them to have to take some guys that wouldn’t ordinarily go.

[TheScorpion]

Zary was also dealing with an injury at the end of the WHL season

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Plus I honestly don't care who Team Canada picks to play at the worlds including as some sort of gauge of the quality of a prospect.

You mean to say that you have no joy that Mackey was picked for the US team? Had no raised hope back when Gaudreau got picked for Team US?

It would be no big deal if Zary would be going along with Schneider?

Is it a waste of summer training time that Dube and Mangiapane get to play some meaningful post season games?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ricardo really bemoaning the Flames passing on Braden Schneider to pick Zary? You've gotta be kidding me.

Please, trust me on this one: Zary is really good.

More a question of Karma.

Flames knew something that the consensus of analysts did not.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

More a question of Karma.

Flames knew something that the consensus of analysts did not.

What are you talking about? If anything, the Flames got Zary lower than many analysts projected him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

More a question of Karma.

Flames knew something that the consensus of analysts did not.

The concensus of these analysts had Zary in the high teens. Flames got him in the 20s.

Consensus of the same analysts had Schneider going 25-37th.

https://thehockeywriters.com/revisit...raft-rankings/

[SuperMatt18]

Looking at the sources that are available on Elite Prospects (ISS Hockey, FCHockey, Craig Button, McKeens, Bob McKenzie, and NHL Central Scouting):

The Average ranking for Schneider before the draft was 16.5 (13, 21, 24, 15, 17, 9)

The Average ranking for Zary before the draft was 16.5 (15, 17, 12, 18, 22, 15)

But yes Schenider was the consensus pick and Zary was a huge reach...because Ricardo.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Looking at the sources that are available on Elite Prospects (ISS Hockey, FCHockey, Craig Button, McKeens, Bob McKenzie, and NHL Central Scouting):

The Average ranking for Schneider before the draft was 16.5 (13, 21, 24, 15, 17, 9)

The Average ranking for Zary before the draft was 16.5 (15, 17, 12, 18, 22, 15)

But yes Schenider was the consensus pick and Zary was a huge reach...because Ricardo.

As far as I’ve read, Schneider has the more sure floor and Zary has a way higher ceiling.

[Reggie Dunlop]

My guess is that Phillips gets a one year "Prove It" deal this summer, with the expectation being he absolutely tears it up the AHL. Only because it'd be poor asset management to just let him walk.

He strikes me as the sort of player who might get a cup of coffee in the show, bounce around a few NHL organizations, but eventually ends up doing well in Europe like say, Nigel Dawes.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

My guess is that Phillips gets a one year "Prove It" deal this summer, with the expectation being he absolutely tears it up the AHL. Only because it'd be poor asset management to just let him walk.

He strikes me as the sort of player who might get a cup of coffee in the show, bounce around a few NHL organizations, but eventually ends up doing well in Europe like say, Nigel Dawes.

That’s a good comparable. Nigel had 212 NHL games so I’ll probably take the under on that for Phillips. Dawes looks to have had the better run in the AHL.

[Harry Lime]

Or, he gets his cup of coffee early in the season, and then gets traded to Tampa Bay, where he becomes a first ballot HOFer. Because he is short.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You mean to say that you have no joy that Mackey was picked for the US team? Had no raised hope back when Gaudreau got picked for Team US?

It would be no big deal if Zary would be going along with Schneider?

Is it a waste of summer training time that Dube and Mangiapane get to play some meaningful post season games?

In the context of does it alter my perception of a prospect? No it doesn't.
Do I think it could help a player like Connor Mackey. Yes I do.

But I'm not going to rank a dman prospect who was selected over a forward prospect that wasn't because of that selection. That's dumb.

[TheScorpion]

Remember when Darryl bought out Nigel Dawes? Still one of the silliest Flames managerial decisions I can remember.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Remember when Darryl bought out Nigel Dawes? Still one of the silliest Flames managerial decisions I can remember.

Man, you must have been pretty young.

[Freeway]

Zary and Schneider both would've been good picks. The Flames preferred Zary and got Boltmann and Poirier for their troubles.