[News] Ken King: Flames' owners no longer pursuing new arena with City of Calgary

[jg13]

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Cappy

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...-his-own-arena

I usually roll my eyes at sports papers/news for their biases in these debates (960 is so bad right now). I get it, Kerr, you'll lose your job if they move so of course you support it.

This coming from the Hockey News was surprising

Not sure what your point is. I fully agree with the writer of the article.

I don't have a problem with a limited City contribution, but if Murray Edwards (who according to news reports is no longer either resident in Calgary or Canada so no longer pays taxes to either) wants to waggle his butt somewhere he is certainly able to do so himself, without use of MY money. Like the movie: build it and they will come - and if they don't - well, too bad it was a crappy investment.

Love the Flames. Beginning to really dislike the ownership, their arrogance and their threats to move. This is, if I'm correct, the THIRD time they have threatened us (even if KK says there is no threat, having Bettman there WAS a threat).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by nik-

Are we re-writing history now and pretending the Jets left because they couldn't get a publicly funded arena?

Not enough people went to the games. It's not like they were sold out every night and still couldn't make a profit.

Wow. Yeah, you completely missed the point. Anyway...

At the time, my view was that Winnipeg couldn't afford the NHL.

My view now is that I am glad for them that they got a second chance.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by jg13

Make Calgary Great Again

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wow. Yeah, you completely missed the point. Anyway...

At the time, my view was that Winnipeg couldn't afford the NHL.

My view now is that I am glad for them that they got a second chance.

I did, but it happens.

[Flames_Gimp]

Nenshi is a smart man but very arrogant

[Major Major]

I have heard at multiple season ticket holder meetings that the flames do not charge as much as they could for a seat in the dome (not even close if you listen to the Rollie and Ken show).

Much appreciated guys! But it doesn't mesh with your story that the dome has reached peek revenue capacity. So, if you weren't lying or by chance know what you're talking about, just raise ticket prices at the dome. I'm fine with it and will still go. I like the saddledome quite a lot actually. It's been perpetuated so much that it's just not usable as a building anymore. That's a load if I've ever heard one! That building has 10-15 good years left in it.

I'll welcome a new building when it comes, but now is just not the time. CSEC should just maximize revenue on this free building they get to use for another decade, then maybe it will be time for some new threads. Just hope king has figured out the Jersey situation by then.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

'conclude' - based on assumptions

And not worth what money? How much? Is there a line in the sand? Or are you confident that there is no economic argument that makes sense in any city ever, for any amount?

Get off your high horse, there is no definitive proof on your side either. The adamance with which people bring up these studies is astounding.

I just don't get it. Why don't you trust these studies?

Is it purely because it doesn't jive with your feelings?
Do you think that you have some ideas and factors that none of these studies have ever touched upon?
Do you think cities or industry groups or universities are being malicious in some way when they put these studies out?
Do you have some private data that noone else has ever seen that you are basing your opinions off of?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I just don't get it. Why don't you trust these studies?

Is it purely because it doesn't jive with your feelings?
Do you think that you have some ideas and factors that none of these studies have ever touched upon?
Do you think cities or industry groups or universities are being malicious in some way when they put these studies out?
Do you have some private data that noone else has ever seen that you are basing your opinions off of?

For the same reason why some people don't believe in global warming studies even though the vast majority of experts are on the same page. It would negatively impact their income and/or lifestyle and/or belief system, so they choose not to believe. No amount of studies or facts will change their minds.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cappy

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...-his-own-arena

I usually roll my eyes at sports papers/news for their biases in these debates (960 is so bad right now). I get it, Kerr, you'll lose your job if they move so of course you support it.

This coming from the Hockey News was surprising

Im sure what supercedes Kerr having a job is the amount of Charity work he gets to do with the Flames as well, he does some really good charities.

Keep in mind in the unlikely event that the Flames do leave, a lot those charities that keep rinks open and equip kids will evaporate.

If you remove some vitriol from this whole thing, a whole lot of people are going to lose out more than just some fans.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Question to all. Would you support an arena and entertainment district outside the core?

[calf]

Originally Posted by New Era

Question to all. Would you support an arena and entertainment district outside the core?

If it is in my quadrant, yes :-)

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by New Era

Question to all. Would you support and arena and entertainment district outside the core?

Support how?

Go to games? Support public money?

Yes to the first. Moderate amounts to the second. Don't see how this makes anyone happy though. Did you try to come up with a lose-lose situation?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by New Era

Question to all. Would you support an arena and entertainment district outside the core?

Pull an Edmonton. Revitalize Dover.

[skcli]

Why can't they make the 50/50 to become 33/33/33, one third goes to the cost of the building of the arena? Why can't they make Sportselect one of the key stakeholders? Why can't they go to Goldman Sach to raise capitals, or go for an IPO? In the time that even the schools are cutting yellow buses for our children there is no moral obligation for us as taxpayers to fund an entertainment company.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Cappy

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...-his-own-arena

I usually roll my eyes at sports papers/news for their biases in these debates (960 is so bad right now). I get it, Kerr, you'll lose your job if they move so of course you support it.

This coming from the Hockey News was surprising

Credit to this writer for calling out Francis as a mouthpiece for King.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cappy

So we should ignore the conclusions drawn by all these studies and do the complete opposite??

There are varying studies. Granted, lots of positive ones are commissioned and therefore may be biased. But have you considered Feng and Humphreys (2008)?

http://web.holycross.edu/RePEc/spe/F...ertyValues.pdf

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I mean if we are going to use anecdotal evidence, one group of friends I roll with probably spends the most money on going out and drinking and eating and other than me and one other guy (who is a canucks fan) no one gives two ####s about the flames so......

So you have bad friends?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Im sure what supercedes Kerr having a job is the amount of Charity work he gets to do with the Flames as well, he does some really good charities.

Keep in mind in the unlikely event that the Flames do leave, a lot those charities that keep rinks open and equip kids will evaporate.

If you remove some vitriol from this whole thing, a whole lot of people are going to lose out more than just some fans.

The Flames charity work is great but it gets brought up an absurd amount of time. Virtually every big employer does something community wise and either through their employees or corporate donations add a ton to the community.

If you're going to base who gets handouts based on who does the most for the community - then you should be supporting the companies who employee the most people around town as they are keeping people from needing charity funding to survive.

[stamps]

Question to all. Would you support an arena and entertainment district outside the core?



About the only place I would be able to begrudgingly stomach outside of downtown would be Firepark ... it's close to Deerfoot trail and the NE LRT ... other than that no ...