08-21-2017, 09:34 AM
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#21
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Resurrection
are we talking about who will be better next year or in the next 10?
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Both. I like Scheiffele a lot but Matthews is right up there with McDavid at the top. Generational franchise centre. Scheiffele isn't in the same conversation.
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08-21-2017, 12:48 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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McDavid's performance in last year's playoffs, coupled with Crosby's historical performances in the playoffs earns Sid the right to be number 1 on the list.
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08-21-2017, 01:33 PM
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#23
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I don't think it'd be unlikely to see Mony make the top 10 centers, within the next 5 seasons.
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08-21-2017, 03:05 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Crosby is the best center and player in the game and it's not even arguable.
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08-21-2017, 03:12 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
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I'm fine with him being underrated, but Ryan O'Reilly is a top 20 center in the NHL.
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08-21-2017, 03:18 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
I'm fine with him being underrated, but Ryan O'Reilly is a top 20 center in the NHL.
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Would you care to reveal the player(s) you believe he should replace on this list?
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08-21-2017, 03:19 PM
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#27
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
I'm fine with him being underrated, but Ryan O'Reilly is a top 20 center in the NHL.
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He can have Draisaitl's slot, since Draisaitl is not obviously a NHL centre.
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08-21-2017, 08:52 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Both. I like Scheiffele a lot but Matthews is right up there with McDavid at the top. Generational franchise centre. Scheiffele isn't in the same conversation.
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08-21-2017, 08:55 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resurrection
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Why are you getting so upset about someone else's rankings of centers? After posting the GAR stuff I thought you'd be immune to this after your comment there.
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08-21-2017, 09:03 PM
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#30
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Resurrection
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So you're saying Matthews isn't better than Scheiffele? That would be some serious rose coloured glasses you'd be wearing. You'd trade Scheiffele for Matthews in an instant and we all know it.
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08-21-2017, 09:27 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Nm
Last edited by activeStick; 08-21-2017 at 09:29 PM.
Reason: Misread post...
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08-21-2017, 11:45 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Every year of McDavid's career, Sidney Crosby has won the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe trophy. But yea, McDavid is better....
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Before you call me a pessimist or a downer, the Flames made me this way. Blame them.
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08-22-2017, 04:29 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the2bears
Why are you getting so upset about someone else's rankings of centers? After posting the GAR stuff I thought you'd be immune to this after your comment there.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
So you're saying Matthews isn't better than Scheiffele? That would be some serious rose coloured glasses you'd be wearing. You'd trade Scheiffele for Matthews in an instant and we all know it.
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That's a different question/conversation. The list is specifically "the best centre now". Scheifele is a better player now and will be the better play again next season. But to then say "not even in the conversation" is so dense all I can do is roll my eyes.
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08-22-2017, 06:13 AM
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#34
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Help, save, whatever.
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I still can't believe Matthews is a Leaf. Even when they got the first pick as a Leafs fan I expected him to be a bust. Then after his first game and the 4 goals I was so confused. Nice things can happen to Leafs fans? He seems Awesome but I still want to see how this upcoming season goes. Still...other than McDavid I wouldn't trade him for any other centre in the league.
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08-22-2017, 06:19 AM
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#35
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Help, save, whatever.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resurrection
That's a different question/conversation. The list is specifically "the best centre now". Scheifele is a better player now and will be the better play again next season. But to then say "not even in the conversation" is so dense all I can do is roll my eyes.
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Matthews is better than Scheifele now. Sorry man. You gotta look at the linemates too. Scheifele has Laine who is a generational talent plus Wheeler. Matthews had Hyman for the entire season and a split between Brown\Nylander.
I thought the Jets fan thing was arguing Laine is better than Matthews? Which is at least debatable. But Scheifele? Come on!
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08-22-2017, 06:40 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by savemedrzaius
Matthews is better than Scheifele now. Sorry man. You gotta look at the linemates too. Scheifele has Laine who is a generational talent plus Wheeler. Matthews had Hyman for the entire season and a split between Brown\Nylander.
I thought the Jets fan thing was arguing Laine is better than Matthews? Which is at least debatable. But Scheifele? Come on!
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Laine is not a generational talent. There are two generational talents in the game, and that is Crosby and McDavid. They are on a completely different level than everyone else. There are some damn good players out there, it let's not get carried away with the generational talent label. It truly cheapens the classification if you start tossing every player in there.
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08-22-2017, 07:04 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by savemedrzaius
Matthews is better than Scheifele now. Sorry man. You gotta look at the linemates too. Scheifele has Laine who is a generational talent plus Wheeler. Matthews had Hyman for the entire season and a split between Brown\Nylander.
I thought the Jets fan thing was arguing Laine is better than Matthews? Which is at least debatable. But Scheifele? Come on!
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Talk to me when Matthews is a PPG player who also kills penalties. I mean, ffs. Your making my own argument for me. If its goals that matter then Laine is better than Matthews since he scores more goals per game and only finished below due to time missed from concussion. Give me a break.
Maybe AM does continue to grow and become a top centre, but he hasn't even cracked the top 10 and was only put on 4th because he plays in Toronto.
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08-22-2017, 07:05 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I think what Matthews did in his first season was more impressive than McDavid in his first season. Best rookie season I've seen since Ovechkin. 40 goals from the center position in a first year is a major accomplishment.
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08-22-2017, 07:12 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
Would you care to reveal the player(s) you believe he should replace on this list?
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Carter, Draisaitl, Monahan. I would take him over $10 million Kopitar too (though I feel they're pretty similar).
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08-22-2017, 07:56 AM
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#40
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
He can have Draisaitl's slot, since Draisaitl is not obviously a NHL centre.
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Stamkos is mostly a winger these days, too.
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