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08-20-2017, 07:22 PM
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First Line Centre
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Draisaitl needs to centre his own line for at least a season before he should even be considered for such a list. And of course the Leafs hype factor puts Auston Matthews at #4.
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08-20-2017, 07:32 PM
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McLoser to 2, Matthews to around 9 (not sure if I'd rather have him or Seguin for just next year), and drop Draisaitl right off (because this is a list of centres, duh) and it's actually a really good list.
I don't know who I'd have at 20. Giroux I guess.
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08-20-2017, 07:42 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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jesus christ matthews ahead of scheif. what a crock of ####.
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08-20-2017, 07:43 PM
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I think Sean Monahan is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.
He was saying last week on Fan 960 he has been training with Gio again this summer and expects to be stronger and more explosive. He also mentioned he is anxious to get this season started.
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08-20-2017, 07:49 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Gaudfather
I think Sean Monahan is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.
He was saying last week on Fan 960 he has been training with Gio again this summer and expects to be stronger and more explosive. He also mentioned he is anxious to get this season started.
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grooming the next captain,,,,,,,hm
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08-20-2017, 08:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Resurrection
jesus christ matthews ahead of scheif. what a crock of ####.
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What??? No, your valuation of Scheifele is way too high. Matthews is going to be a superstar.
Also...just waiting for the angry comments about how Barkov shouldn't be ahead of Monahan. That CP debate never seems to end.
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08-20-2017, 08:45 PM
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Location: Cape Breton Island
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
What??? No, your valuation of Scheifele is way too high. Matthews is going to be a superstar.
Also...just waiting for the angry comments about how Barkov shouldn't be ahead of Monahan. That CP debate never seems to end.
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are we talking about who will be better next year or in the next 10?
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08-20-2017, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
What??? No, your valuation of Scheifele is way too high. Matthews is going to be a superstar.
Also...just waiting for the angry comments about how Barkov shouldn't be ahead of Monahan. That CP debate never seems to end.
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Why do you think he's way too high? Only player beneath him that feel should be ahead of him is Eichel. Eichel would be scoring 90 points if he was surrounded by Schiefele's wingers.
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08-20-2017, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Also...just waiting for the angry comments about how Barkov shouldn't be ahead of Monahan. That CP debate never seems to end.
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One was 17 the other 20, very comparable and almost equal players, could go either way but one isn't vastly superior to the other. Either team would be lucky to have either player.
Monahan is one of the most underrated players in his own city, much less entire NHL. Unbelievable player.
Other debates in the thread...
Scheifele is an amazing player but 40 goals is the high water mark in the NHL at the moment, that's an amazing feat as a rookie. I'll take the eight more goals over the 13 (?) points Matthews will make up, "Scheif" has a fantastic assortment of wingers to dish to as well.
Draisaitl makes sense on the list at this point, but how long will he be listed at center if he continues to ride shotgun to McDavid?
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08-20-2017, 09:06 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by JFK
Draisaitl makes sense on the list at this point, but how long will he be listed at center if he continues to ride shotgun to McDavid?
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No he doesn't, he is a winger. He has done absolutely nothing impressive at centre.
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08-20-2017, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JFK
One was 17 the other 20, very comparable and almost equal players, could go either way but one isn't vastly superior to the other. Either team would be lucky to have either player.
Monahan is one of the most underrated players in his own city, much less entire NHL. Unbelievable player.
Other debates in the thread...
Scheifele is an amazing player but 40 goals is the high water mark in the NHL at the moment, that's an amazing feat as a rookie. I'll take the eight more goals over the 13 (?) points Matthews will make up, "Scheif" has a fantastic assortment of wingers to dish to as well.
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Agreed on all points. I think Scheifele is an excellent player, but I'd take Matthews over him any day of the week. Just think of how good Auston will be when he gets to Mark's age.
And yes, I think Barkov and Monahan are comparable, but I still give the edge to Barkov. However, I don't believe Monahan is underrated in his city at all. Across the league? You betcha. Definitely not underrated in Calgary.
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08-20-2017, 09:32 PM
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Location: Brisbane
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Not a bad list and nice to see Monahan getting some love but there are a few things that stick out:
-I'd still take Crosby over McDavid if only looking at the upcoming season.
-Draisaitl is a winger with one good season. Stupid Oiler hype.
-Stamkos, Towes, and Kopitar look to be on the downside of their careers and should not be as high.
-The list seems to be biased towards putting up points over 2 way play. Bergeron should be top 5 and it would have been nice to see Koivu, Kesler, or Backlund receive recognition. I'd add those three over Draisaitl, Johansen, and Kuznetsov.
Edit: just for fun I'll make my own list
1. Crosby, 2. McDavid, 3. Malkin, 4. Backstrom, 5. Bergeron, 6. Getzlaf, 7. Matthews, 8. Tavares, 9. Seguin, 10. Stamkos, 11. Carter, 12. Scheifele, 13. Kesler, 14. Backlund, 15. Koivu, 16. Monahan, 17. Barkov, 18. Toewes, 19. Eichel, 20. Kopitar
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08-20-2017, 11:18 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FireGilbert
Not a bad list and nice to see Monahan getting some love but there are a few things that stick out:
-I'd still take Crosby over McDavid if only looking at the upcoming season.
-Draisaitl is a winger with one good season. Stupid Oiler hype.
-Stamkos, Towes, and Kopitar look to be on the downside of their careers and should not be as high.
-The list seems to be biased towards putting up points over 2 way play. Bergeron should be top 5 and it would have been nice to see Koivu, Kesler, or Backlund receive recognition. I'd add those three over Draisaitl, Johansen, and Kuznetsov.
Edit: just for fun I'll make my own list
1. Crosby, 2. McDavid, 3. Malkin, 4. Backstrom, 5. Bergeron, 6. Getzlaf, 7. Matthews, 8. Tavares, 9. Seguin, 10. Stamkos, 11. Carter, 12. Scheifele, 13. Kesler, 14. Backlund, 15. Koivu, 16. Monahan, 17. Barkov, 18. Toewes, 19. Eichel, 20. Kopitar
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I love Backlund, but no way in any world is he better than Toews, Eichel, or Kopitar (or anyone in that list). He's a very good player but let's not hype him up too much.
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08-20-2017, 11:34 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Resurrection
are we talking about who will be better next year or in the next 10?
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Define better.
Produce more on the boxscore? Maybe the guy flanked by Ehlers, Wheeler setting him up at every turn or Laine finishing routine passes with arguably the hardest and most accurate shot in the NHL.
Produce more opportunities for himself and his linemates with his individual high-end puck ability, vision, hockey sense, edgework, but not produce more on the box score? Maybe the guy playing with Zach Hyman for some reason but who is more talented and better.
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Eichel would be scoring 90 points if he was surrounded by Schiefele's wingers.
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I wouldn't be shocked if a player with Eichel's raw talent hit 110+ with Scheifele's wingers. Blake Wheeler is amazing. Laine is amazing. Ehlers is one of the fastest wingers in the league with great soft skills. I'm not sure any other center in the league had better wingers.
Scheifele is great, but his wingers are more great. Luckily they're still the Jets and they still somehow suck anyways.
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08-21-2017, 12:06 AM
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Mark Scheifele at #10. Not bad. He should only get better in years to come.
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08-21-2017, 07:28 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I really don't care about rankings like this but shouldn't Draisaitl have to play center full time to be considered one of the best?
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08-21-2017, 07:54 AM
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My controversial opinion is that Stamkos is way too high... I don't think he would break my top20.
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08-21-2017, 08:42 AM
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I hate seeing lists like this where guys who don't play center full time get included. Really cheapens it and brings its credibility into question. Also don't like seeing guys that have one or two seasons and haven't done jack get thrown above proven two ways players with a history of winning.
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08-21-2017, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Agreed on all points. I think Scheifele is an excellent player, but I'd take Matthews over him any day of the week. Just think of how good Auston will be when he gets to Mark's age.
And yes, I think Barkov and Monahan are comparable, but I still give the edge to Barkov. However, I don't believe Monahan is underrated in his city at all. Across the league? You betcha. Definitely not underrated in Calgary.
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Do you not remember any of the GDTs of the past 4 seasons? No matter what the guy does, it's not good enough for Flames fans. Scores wicked goals in close and up high.... defensive game isn't good. Makes great transition plays or defensive plays... doesn't score enough points to be a true #1C. Always an excuse. Remember all those Johnny cheerleaders during contract talks who basically said that Monahan is NOTHING without Johnny?
He's done nothing but improve since day one, and he was NHL ready on day one. I think him and now ex-Flame Engelland were the two most underrated players on the team.
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