2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ForeverFlameFan]

If Toews is truly available you do your absolute best to make it happen.

He shuts down McDavid. That’s already a big enough plus on its own.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Who else would be bidding for Toews if he asked for a trade? Maybe toews wants to win a cup in a canadian city...

If they retain a portion of his contract? Anyone looking to win during the next 3 years.

[NewFan]

Just need to find a good buddy of Toews and sign as 12-13th player with a league minimum salary, and try to convince Toews to come here. It worked this year so we need try. Send Hanifin, Ryan and draft pick /lotto protected/ and any of prospect if Chicago retain some salary. Toews type veteran C is most needed here to win a few rounds in playoffs.

[Strange Brew]

I don't subscribe to the notion that the Flames get by Dallas with a different goalie. Pick the evidence that suits you, but as an example the high danger chances for and against in that series were 53-37 in favor of Dallas. Corsi, actual shots, expected goals... all heavily favored Dallas.

I'm not sure you can bank on the idea that a goalie steals you the series.

The Flames can play differently with a better goalie but I believe there is still ample evidence that the players in front of the goalie aren't yet good enough to win against good teams.

[Monahammer]

IMO no need to devalue the pick by lotto protecting it. We're not going to the lotto with toews augmenting our forward core.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't subscribe to the notion that the Flames get by Dallas with a different goalie. Pick the evidence that suits you, but as an example the high danger chances for and against in that series were 53-37 in favor of Dallas. Corsi, actual shots, expected goals... all heavily favored Dallas.

I'm not sure you can bank on the idea that a goalie steals you the series.

The Flames can play differently with a better goalie but I believe there is still ample evidence that the players in front of the goalie aren't yet good enough to win against good teams.

Don’t forget our best player and future captain was hurt in game 1 of the series

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Don’t forget our best player and future captain was hurt in game 1 of the series

True but the same thing could be said about the jets in the qualifying round. They lost 2 pretty big players during that series.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

True but the same thing could be said about the jets in the qualifying round. They lost 2 pretty big players during that series.

That is true but when comparing the results of both series

Flames lost 3 one goal games and then had their goalies blow up to lose by 4 in game 6.

Flames beat the Jets by 4 twice and 3 the other time.

Not exact science but I think Tkachuk tips the scales more in one goal games than Laine and Schiefele do in 4 goal blowouts.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That is true but when comparing the results of both series

Flames lost 3 one goal games and then had their goalies blow up to lose by 4 in game 6.

Flames beat the Jets by 4 twice and 3 the other time.

Not exact science but I think Tkachuk tips the scales more in one goal games than Laine and Schiefele do in 4 goal blowouts.

I still think the Jets were losing that series in 5 at best given the defense they had but losing your first line center 5 minutes into the series, one of your top goal scorers in the 3rd and what little 4th line depth you had with Appleton sunk them.

The Flames with Tkachuk bring that intangible few teams have, an absolute pest that makes you pay when you take stupid penalties against him or retaliate. As much as I hate Marchand, Tkachuk and Perry they have a craft few players do and that their fans love to have on their team.

[Enoch Root]

I think the Flames beat Dallas with Markstrom in net. A few other points I would make about this roster:

1) Lindholm was completely flat on the top line. I know there were personal issues. But I think the fact that he was a primary PKer didn't help either. Having Nordstrom will relieve some of that responsibility from Lindholm, which hopefully helps him offensively.

2) I agree that Valimaki will help the D core. I also think Andersson and Hanifin, being a year older, will only be better. Tanev adds a pure defensive aspect that we should have, but didn't, get from Hamonic. All together, I believe the Flames D will be better than last year.

3) Then factor in better goaltending, and that will add confidence to the D as well.

4) I really like the addition of Nordstrom, a fast, gritty and experienced forward, to the 4th line - exactly what it needed. Having Nordstrom with Ryan together really solidifies that line. And I think a guy likes Phillips could be a great addition to it. They wouldn't be very big, but man, they would be hard working. (and you could rotate Robinson in when you need size).

Yes, the top line has not been addressed, but I think they had a bad year and will rebound somewhat.

But more directly to the points above, I think the Flames' goals against will be improved this year. They were tied for 15th last year, exactly middle of the pack. I expect they will move into the top 10 this year. And that alone is enough to ensure that they will be top 2 in the Pacific this year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Well made points.
Look I've been probably the conductor on the trade Johnny train (toot toot) but if the deal isn't there the deal isn't there. What seemed like the most probably and best moment to trade Johnny (this off-season) probably changed dramatically with COVID.

But by most statistical analysis - goaltending has not been a strength of this team for the last couple of seasons. And even though it was in the playoffs for most games, it wasn't in the elimination game.

So it's a real x-factor.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Just need to find a good buddy of Toews and sign as 12-13th player with a league minimum salary

Didn't he win the Cup with Nordstrom? If so, that's checked off already!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^Well made points.
Look I've been probably the conductor on the trade Johnny train (toot toot) but if the deal isn't there the deal isn't there. What seemed like the most probably and best moment to trade Johnny (this off-season) probably changed dramatically with COVID.

But by most statistical analysis - goaltending has not been a strength of this team for the last couple of seasons. And even though it was in the playoffs for most games, it wasn't in the elimination game.

So it's a real x-factor.

I was also hard on the train, if you were conducting I shoveled the coal.

After seeing how things have shaken out and looking ahead to next season, I have reversed course. I would rather see them make a big splash using Hanifin+ Ryan to grab another top 6 forward and really try to shoot for it over the next 2 seasons.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Don’t forget our best player and future captain was hurt in game 1 of the series

No doubt and him playing would have an impact.

I just don’t think we can gloss over over the fact that Flames skaters have been consistently outplayed in the playoffs no matter the opponent.

Personally i’m not keen on assuming different results without better evidence to back it up. That’s building a team based on hope vs. reality.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Toews is truly available you do your absolute best to make it happen.

He shuts down McDavid. That’s already a big enough plus on its own.

McDavid had 9 points in 4 games against the Hawks in the play ins..

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No doubt and him playing would have an impact.

I just don’t think we can gloss over over the fact that Flames skaters have been consistently outplayed in the playoffs no matter the opponent.

Personally i’m not keen on assuming different results without better evidence to back it up. That’s building a team based on hope vs. reality.

No it's not, that's how it works: you make changes, then you see if they helped. Your point makes no sense.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

McDavid had 9 points in 4 games against the Hawks in the play ins..

He shut down McDavid's legendary defensive ability.

[Johnhitbox]

Yes, the top line has not been addressed, but I think they had a bad year and will rebound somewhat.



It wasn't just a tough year. If you look at anything past mid December 2018, you saw the regression start and, BT decided to pick up Oscar Fantenberg. Now let's move on to the mess of a 2019-2020 season. The regression continued with the first line, and BT once again went out and picked up another pair of defenseman in, Erick Gustafsson and Brandon Davidson. Maybe the top line hit a peak, and have come back down to earth?

I agree with all the other points that you make.

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[Domoic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

1) Lindholm was completely flat on the top line. I know there were personal issues. But I think the fact that he was a primary PKer didn't help either. Having Nordstrom will relieve some of that responsibility from Lindholm, which hopefully helps him offensively.

Totally agree with this.

Look at the tape of Game 4. 12 seconds left. What was Lindholm doing there??? He lost us that game with an embarrassing defensive play (and perhaps, therefore, the series).

[Toonage]

Its a small ask but I'd rather see them try and address the 6D so that Kylington isn't on that pair with Valimaki. I'd rather a capable veteran playing with Kylington as the 7D with spot duty