Ring Road To Nowhere

[I_H8_Crawford]

Will be interesting to see.

It may be their right to have access to the reserve at any point, but wouldn't they have to pay for that access as well??

No way in hell should my tax dollars be spent to build a road for their reservation.

Screw them.

[Jayems]

The city doesn't have the gonads to stand up to them.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Jayems

The city doesn't have the gonads to stand up to them.

This country doesn't have the stones to stand up to them.

[Shazam]

It's just a desperate gambit by the First Nations.

[TheU]

honestly sometimes i wish i was the prime minister. the tsu tina nation has been ing unreal about this. we need to tear down access to the grey eagle casino, or, trade them access for our own access to the ring road. i swear to god if i was the PM the tanks would be rolling in by now. canadian natives have been such a drain on our economy for so long its time people with jobs and self respect stand up for whats right. yeah, go ahead. flame me.

[BlackArcher101]

Maybe we should all protest with a roadblock, blocking the casino?

[CaptainCrunch]

The government will cave and the city will cave to the band and its the wrong thing to do. The right thing to do would be to dissolve the reservation system and integrate them into Canadian society, its not doing the natives any good and its become a completely corrupt system where few in power get rich while the rest suffer.

All the money that was going to go to them in the ring road system would have ended up in the pockets of the chief and his best friends.

[Ace]

The problem is the Alberta government is still the largest recipient of the funds from the gray eagle casino. Yes they redistribute those funds to charity groups, but they still use those revenues to cover their operating costs first...

The Alberta government is very vested in Gray Eagles success.

[temple5]

First, to put this all on the reserve is a joke IMO.

Who designed this city with the thought that "um yah we will be able negotiate with the band down the road to get land to build a huge un eye-pleasing ringroad along their land". Nibyism resides everywhere in life, the same could be said about the weaselhead option which is perfectly viable IMO. Its not a natural habitat - animals evolve to their environment, they will find some place else to go - get over it you green peace naziis.

Its unfortunate those alderman/mayor/civic employees arent employed now because if they are they should be fired for monumental short sightedness and pure laziness. Yes the band is bending the city over, but who wouldnt given their superior bargaining position.

And now we are stuck with it. I wont be living down there any time soon but I can only imagine how hellish it is.

The Govt makes more off city casinos / dollar spent than any reserve casino. And if the Alberta govt is siding with a social dump like a casino and a handful of residents of Tsu Tina rather than the 1 million strong tax base then the Conservatives should be shown the door with a curbstomp for good measure.

[Ace]

Does anyone know if the NE section is still on target to open November 1?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by TheU

honestly sometimes i wish i was the prime minister. the tsu tina nation has been ing unreal about this. we need to tear down access to the grey eagle casino, or, trade them access for our own access to the ring road. i swear to god if i was the PM the tanks would be rolling in by now. canadian natives have been such a drain on our economy for so long its time people with jobs and self respect stand up for whats right. yeah, go ahead. flame me.

I see your point, but that would be a huge UN and human rights fiasco for the Canadian government, and we would not come off in a good light internationally if we were ever to do that.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Ace

Does anyone know if the NE section is still on target to open November 1?

I'm really excited for the final leg of the NW and all of the NE section to open. This will be fantastic. To the untrained eye, it's looked nearly finished for a month now. Must be final touches.

[Art Vandelay]

I think they said first week of Nov on a Global news story I saw the other day.

[Razor Ruddock]

This land belongs to the natives. They were doing quite fine before the white man showed up and started telling them to drink beer and beat up their wives. The least we can do is give them what was promised, in this case, free access to their reserves.

[4X4]

Yeah, I remember the time I told a native to get drunk and beat up his wife.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Razor Ruddock

This land belongs to the natives. They were doing quite fine before the white man showed up and started telling them to drink beer and beat up their wives. The least we can do is give them what was promised, in this case, free access to their reserves.

Well, aside from the beer and wife beating comment I do agree with the sentiment of this post. This whole thing has turned into an 'us' vs 'them' case where rationality has left the building last July when the initial deal failed to close.

The city and the province have to seriously take a step back and realize that the Tsu Tina land was given to them by Treaty 7 and they can do whatever the fata they want with it and if that means turning down an extremely lucreative deal most likely to their long term detrement, then so be it.

This 37th street overpass is a terrible half measure (I would rather call it a quarter measure). Honestly before anything is done the city and the province should be surveying the weaselhead and estimating costs el. My bet is that the weaselhead option is much cheaper and will result in less trouble long term than dealing with the Tsu Tina. Then after going ahead with these new plans, leave all access roads to the reserve alone, including the Grey Eagle access, to avoid pissing off the natives into trying to argue something out of their jurisdiction to slow up the process(Ie: The weaselhead lands created in 1929 when the Glenmore reservoir was created are sacred because 'Insert BS stretch arguement here')

[Resolute 14]

Oh, they can do whatever they want with their land, that's fine. But they can all go to hell when they start trying to tell us what we can and can't do with our land. And that is exactly what they are doing.

If we are obligated to give them access, fine. I doubt very much that the treaty says we are obligated to give them access wherever they want. Go a couple kms farther down Crowchild, build the turn up to the edge of city limits, and let them deal with building their own road on their own land. Sorry, we have to close this access so we can build our interchange. Tough cookies.

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Well, aside from the beer and wife beating comment I do agree with the sentiment of this post. This whole thing has turned into an 'us' vs 'them' case where rationality has left the building last July when the initial deal failed to close.

The city and the province have to seriously take a step back and realize that the Tsu Tina land was given to them by Treaty 7 and they can do whatever the fata they want with it and if that means turning down an extremely lucreative deal most likely to their long term detrement, then so be it.

This 37th street overpass is a terrible half measure (I would rather call it a quarter measure). Honestly before anything is done the city and the province should be surveying the weaselhead and estimating costs el. My bet is that the weaselhead option is much cheaper and will result in less trouble long term than dealing with the Tsu Tina. Then after going ahead with these new plans, leave all access roads to the reserve alone, including the Grey Eagle access, to avoid pissing off the natives into trying to argue something out of their jurisdiction to slow up the process(Ie: The weaselhead lands created in 1929 when the Glenmore reservoir was created are sacred because 'Insert BS stretch arguement here')

I believe most people are upset with them because of all the time and money wasted negotiating a deal with, that they agreed too, then rejected. They can do whatever they want with their land, but if you waste our time and money then people have a right to be pissed at them.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Oh, they can do whatever they want with their land, that's fine. But they can all go to hell when they start trying to tell us what we can and can't do with our land. And that is exactly what they are doing.

If we are obligated to give them access, fine. I doubt very much that the treaty says we are obligated to give them access wherever they want. Go a couple kms farther down Crowchild, build the turn up to the edge of city limits, and let them deal with building their own road on their own land. Sorry, we have to close this access so we can build our interchange. Tough cookies.

Is it really necessary to close off access to Grey Eagle or is it some sort of retaliation for wasted negotiation time? If I lived on the reserve, perception would certianly be on the side of retaliation. In my opinion the easiest way to deal with the natives is to not deal with the natives. They (The Tsu Tina) have the trump card to negotiate virtually anything they want whether it be on 'our' land or 'their' land and they know it and have in place a large lobby to defend that stance indefinately. Trust me, finding solutions that have the least potential to deal with them (even from a PR standpoint) are always the best path. Even if that means buying out property owners in Lakeview to avoid cutting off access to Grey Eagle. In the end pissing them off will always be of higher cost than anything you have to do to avoid raising their concerns.

[Resolute 14]

Of course it is retaliation. And I'm betting the percentage of people that care what they think anymore is in the single digits.