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Old 09-17-2020, 10:35 AM   #1
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WTF? This guys should lose his license.

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Old 09-17-2020, 10:39 AM   #2
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I was just reading about this. That's a hell of an expensive nap.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:41 AM   #3
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Police said when an officer turned on their emergency lights, the Tesla accelerated to 150 km/h.
Damn, that's some rebellious AI. Would be interested to hear from Tesla wtf the car was doing at that speed in the first place and then accelerating when the lights came on. I wonder how/if the driver was influencing the car.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:44 AM   #4
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Does "autopilot" limit the speed you can set it at relative to the speed limit? It seems it would be prudent to limit it to 10% over the posted limit.
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Does "autopilot" limit the speed you can set it at relative to the speed limit? It seems it would be prudent to limit it to 10% over the posted limit.
The car should be set up to follow all laws - meaning it should not be allowed to exceed the post speed limit.
But it sounds like, in this case, the driver somehow bypassed some of the safety features - which then leads to the question about how easy that is to do.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:47 AM   #6
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He should be criminally charged with impaired driving. This is no difference than being drunk.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:49 AM   #7
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Is it self driving or not? What the hell Elon?
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:50 AM   #8
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I have to give him his due though, he must have balls of steel to take a nap at 140, I'd be scared witless at 20 to let my hands off the wheel let alone sleep
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The real question should be....was Elon Musk controlling the car remotely from his desk, gradually increasing the speed while laughing maniacally?
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:56 AM   #10
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Does "autopilot" limit the speed you can set it at relative to the speed limit? It seems it would be prudent to limit it to 10% over the posted limit.
It gives you the ability to go a few over the speed limit on roads before it tells you no.. on highways you can go up to 150km/h I think but I have never tried.

I would never take my eyes off the road let alone sleep with it on, it's a cool feature but its not good enough to risk anyones life over.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:57 AM   #11
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In all seriousness though, this guy should lose his license for a while.

You would have to be a certifiable idiot to do this.
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He should be criminally charged with impaired driving. This is no difference than being drunk.
Isn't it? I would argue that a Tesla driving itself down hwy 2 is far safer than a drunk guy, and significantly safer than a sober guy in an older car.

https://electrek.co/2019/10/23/tesla...erage-driving/

I have no problem with him being charged with what he was charged ith. The laws are clear that he shouldn't be doing that yet.
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He should be criminally charged with impaired driving. This is no difference than being drunk.
What? Hell no.

The dude was tired and sleeping, not actually legally impaired. Yes, perhaps it's not safe to drive if you haven't slept for 2 days suffering from insomnia, but unless you violate rules, you're not doing anything wrong. Plus, if you get a ticket, you get a ticket for the rule you were violating.

Honestly speaking, I think this is more in between fatigue and distracted driving. Not a DUI.
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:22 AM   #14
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According to the CDC “Being awake for at least 24 hours is equal to having a blood alcohol content of 0.10%. This is higher than the legal limit (0.08% BAC) in all states”. Sounds like maybe that should against the rules, and drivers should take some personal accountability to not out others at undue risk.

Personally, I hate the idea of sharing the roadway with a motorist who *completely* disengaged. Imagine being so smug at 20yo. It’s always the rich kids with their parents money that are just so incredibly stupid.
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I would rather trust 1000 teslas on auto-pilot than those same 1000 cars with human drivers.
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Ya, have you guys not been on Calgary roads lately? Drivers out there are brutal and terrifying. I'd much prefer Elon Musk's sentinels out there driving than those folks...especially if they're tired.
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Isn't it? I would argue that a Tesla driving itself down hwy 2 is far safer than a drunk guy, and significantly safer than a sober guy in an older car.

https://electrek.co/2019/10/23/tesla...erage-driving/

I have no problem with him being charged with what he was charged ith. The laws are clear that he shouldn't be doing that yet.
In typical electrek style those stats are garbage, its comparing highway miles to total driven miles.

This thread encapsulates why Tesla and Musk have been reckless in their sales job on the true abilities of autopilot.

The system rides the lines way too often especially on two lane highways. It gets incrementally better all the time, but its not even close to the point where you should take your eyes off the road let alone a nap.
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Last I checked Tesla Autopilot is 1.8 million miles per crash, average of all drivers 400,000 miles. Number differ depending on source, naturally.

What really grinds my gears about "autopilot" is people generally don't even know what it is in relation to aircraft. This is what is actually is:
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An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without requiring constant manual control by a human operator. Autopilot does not replace human operators. Instead, autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle, allowing the operator to focus on broader aspects of operations (for example, monitoring the trajectory, weather and on-board systems)
Apply that to an automobile. It does NOT REPLACE THE HUMAN DRIVER and they must PAY ATTENTION. Just like in an aircraft.

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Old 09-17-2020, 11:43 AM   #19
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I don’t see what autopilot has to do with anything here. The guy was doing 150km/h while sleeping. That’s against the law. Full stop.
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What? Hell no.

The dude was tired and sleeping, not actually legally impaired. Yes, perhaps it's not safe to drive if you haven't slept for 2 days suffering from insomnia, but unless you violate rules, you're not doing anything wrong. Plus, if you get a ticket, you get a ticket for the rule you were violating.

Honestly speaking, I think this is more in between fatigue and distracted driving. Not a DUI.
If he were passed out rather than asleep and letting the Tesla drive for him should he be charged with impaired driving?

There is no difference between the two scenarios. Note I am arguing what should be the consequence rather than what the law states.

New Jersey and Arizona have fatigued driving statues that are similar to DUIs.

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