03-20-2023, 10:12 PM
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#501
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Third period comeback?
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Literally hasn’t happened all season. Which is kind of mindblowing to me. Has a team ever had a full season where they never came back in the third? That’s some insane mental fragility.
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03-20-2023, 10:13 PM
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#502
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
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Can Flames move on from Treliving and Sutter this offseason? Nothing against either but this is pathetic. Feel like Tre has been here long enough to put his stamp on the team and the organization is back to not having an identity. As for Sutter - think players have just checked out from his style.
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03-20-2023, 10:13 PM
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#503
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom
Great forechecker and great passer are hyperbole.
I haven’t seen great of either of those attributes. Perhaps good is a better adjective. Definitely not elite at either. But hey that gets you 84 million from the flames. Rock on Jon!
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No, it’s really not hyperbole. Go look at Huberdeau’s last half-decade of hockey. He is elite.
Sutter and Huberdeau are just a terrible combo. As Lanny said, it’s Darryl’s way or the highway which is a brutally idiotic way to coach. Coaching is about maximizing the roster you have (especially when it has flaws like this one). Nope, Darryl doesn’t do that.
This is just a brutal match.
Last edited by ComixZone; 03-20-2023 at 10:15 PM.
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03-20-2023, 10:13 PM
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#504
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Originally Posted by rohara66
Time to try some krak?
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I’ve actually been rooting for them since they joined, got a jersey as soon as they were available. Used to spend my childhood summers in the PNW. The M’s, Seahawks & Sonics (until they left) are all my #1’s in the other sports. Even their bad year last year was 100x more enjoyable to watch than this  .
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03-20-2023, 10:13 PM
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#505
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Well, ive turned that off. Try again tomorrow.
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03-20-2023, 10:13 PM
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#506
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Both Markstrom and the defense can be bad
They are not mutually exclusive
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03-20-2023, 10:13 PM
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#507
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Powerplay Quarterback
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This team has checked out. Whether it’s tuning the coach out, lack of talent, poor goaltending or all of the above, they have quit.
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03-20-2023, 10:15 PM
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#508
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by timbit
Talk badly about Markstrom all you want….
The D corp has been horrific!
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True, but he’s also getting paid to be an elite tender that bails out some defensive holes and breakdowns.
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03-20-2023, 10:15 PM
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#509
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by Ferarri
This team has checked out. Whether it’s tuning the coach out, lack of talent, poor goaltending or all of the above, they have quit.
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Which is kind of crazy when you consider they’re just 4 pts out and they had a chance to really climb back into the hunt tonight.
Seems for sure like something happened Saturday night.
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03-20-2023, 10:15 PM
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#510
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by timbit
Talk badly about Markstrom all you want….
The D corp has been horrific!
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It’s been like this all year. Just putrid system and execution. Huska has to go. I though sutter was the dman whisperer. He seems to have lost he ability to coach those guys up. Hanifin has stalled. Tanev looks worn out. Weegar is pretty good for what we are paying but he’s not worth more than Tanev. Zadorov has been a massive regression candidate and I wanted him back this year because of the physicality but he’s the only one at the expense of high iq. He’s a knuckle dragger. I can’t believe Gudbranson was more of a stabilizing force with him.
This team has given up on this coaching staff. Such divas all around. Toffoli has been good. Dube looks like he cares. These guys are in a standoff with the coach and no one wins. Especially not our draft capital.
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03-20-2023, 10:15 PM
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#511
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
You guys really overthink this stuff.
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I think this is a dumb dismissive comment with no thought behind it.
There are too many good individual parts here to just throw blanket "they're just bad" statements out there in response to an actual attempt at diagnosing the issues.
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03-20-2023, 10:16 PM
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#512
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom
He shouldn’t be playing defence? Ever see Marchand play? Or or miko rantanen or Nikita kucherov? Or Dustin brown? Or any other championship caliber play making winger ? They play defence.
All a coach can control is ice time and deployment. These guys are overpaid divas.
And sorry to say but Huberdeau is being paid like he’s the guy. Massive miscalculation by the front office. The equivalent of taking a s#!t on your bosses desk when you resign or quit.
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He's always been a one dimensional, offensive winger. You can make him play defense, like he is doing now, but it's obviously killing his offensive game.
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Originally Posted by soulchoice
For this year agreed. However, by next year at a salary of 10.5m per year. He has to be that guy to drive a line or carry a team, however unlikely it will be.
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I think you're setting yourself up for a disappointment if you expect that. He will put up more points in a different system but I never saw that kind of player in Florida. Just the fact that he is almost totally a pass first -type of player means that he heavily relies on his linemates to produce. He also doesn't carry the puck up the ice.
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03-20-2023, 10:16 PM
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#513
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First Line Centre
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30yrs of complaining about the coach and the GM...
Fans / Ownership are two staples over this time frame...one has control, the other one doesn't.
List the team on the TSX. Let's have a budget, and pay for our own building.
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03-20-2023, 10:16 PM
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#514
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First Line Centre
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I can't believe people are more mad at Sutter than Treliving.
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03-20-2023, 10:16 PM
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#515
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
Hanifin is a terrible defensive d-man.
Has flashes, but only that.
Zadorov is poor with the puck as well as coverage.
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Tanev , Weegar, and Andersson have been equally awful.
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03-20-2023, 10:17 PM
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#516
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Franchise Player
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It's not just the forwards.
You need to put the dmen in a position to succeed it's been very evident since November that this man on man chase coverage doesn't work with this group.
But like Lanny said it's my way or the highway with Sutter.
A record 85 assists? Naw meet your new best friend the half wall and I want 10 weak attempts in net from here.
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03-20-2023, 10:17 PM
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#517
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Literally hasn’t happened all season. Which is kind of mindblowing to me. Has a team ever had a full season where they never came back in the third? That’s some insane mental fragility.
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That's a coach who won't adjust his game plan, lines, matchups or ice time distribution.
This entire year is Sutter "proving" to the team that's he is the boss. Signing that contract extension was one of the biggest mistakes of the last decade.
What was the possible rush there.
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03-20-2023, 10:17 PM
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#518
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Did we play man coverage last year? The amount of times I have seen blown coverages due to the cycle caught my eye and I'm not sure if I remember that happening as much last year.
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03-20-2023, 10:18 PM
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#519
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
Tanev , Weegar, and Andersson have been equally awful.
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Disagree. Weegar and Andersson have been good lately.
They've been the leaders from the back end.
Nobody but Backund and Toffoli have done anything up front.
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03-20-2023, 10:18 PM
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#520
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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When Phillips is in the running for the Calder next year for another team, we can thank Sutter for that.
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