04-14-2016, 11:52 AM
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#201
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That is just to prove that the Falcon Wings work in tight spaces. Obviously no one in any of those 3 vehicles would be able to get out.
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04-14-2016, 11:52 AM
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#202
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accord1999
What about the people in the front seats?
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Probably in the same situation as they would be any other vehicle.
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04-14-2016, 11:56 AM
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#203
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In the Sin Bin
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lol what about when you're in a parkade?
gull wing doors = stupid.
ALWAYS.
100% of the time they're dumb. All they do is create problems. More #### to break too and Tesla's aren't exactly known for their high build quality.
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04-14-2016, 12:02 PM
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#204
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Franchise Player
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For the record, they are called Falcon Wing, to Gull wing. The difference is the articulation. In a parkade they open lower. There are sensors to see where the space is to open into.
While I'd never buy one, I commend Tesla on experimenting. There have been lots of ideas int he automotive world come and go, and a few stick around. You only know if you try.
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04-14-2016, 12:08 PM
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#205
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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They need one of those painted in Klingon Bird of Prey Green.
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04-14-2016, 12:09 PM
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#206
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
For the record, they are called Falcon Wing, to Gull wing. The difference is the articulation. In a parkade they open lower. There are sensors to see where the space is to open into.
While I'd never buy one, I commend Tesla on experimenting. There have been lots of ideas int he automotive world come and go, and a few stick around. You only know if you try.
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How does that work? If it can't open all the way then cars on the side become an issue. Unless it dips into the cars interior, which just creates issues for cargo and people inside.
It's just a useless gimmick that only complicates matters and creates issues. What if the sensors break? Especially once your warranty goes?
They have been attempted on more than a few cars and it never sticks because it's always a bad idea.
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04-14-2016, 12:26 PM
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#207
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Powerplay Quarterback
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That's the limitation of those doors, if you're in a tight space with a low ceiling, they won't be able to open. That's where sliding doors are superior, but they unfortunately still remind people of minivans.
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04-14-2016, 12:46 PM
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#208
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
How does that work? If it can't open all the way then cars on the side become an issue. Unless it dips into the cars interior, which just creates issues for cargo and people inside.
It's just a useless gimmick that only complicates matters and creates issues. What if the sensors break? Especially once your warranty goes?
They have been attempted on more than a few cars and it never sticks because it's always a bad idea.
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I'm not a huge fan of the doors, but this reasoning is poor. Do you have any idea how many sensors exist in our day to day lives? If something on the car were to break, it's extremely unlikely to be the sensor.
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04-14-2016, 12:54 PM
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#209
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
I'm not a huge fan of the doors, but this reasoning is poor. Do you have any idea how many sensors exist in our day to day lives? If something on the car were to break, it's extremely unlikely to be the sensor.
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yes but we're talking about the door. It's not just going to throw a CEL, it's going to stop you from using half the car and for what? So it looks "hip"?
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04-14-2016, 01:11 PM
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#210
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
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You're right. It's just not worth innovating anymore, too much could go wrong.
In other news, Model 3 reservations are approaching 400,000.
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04-14-2016, 01:25 PM
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#211
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In the Sin Bin
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Different =/= Innovative
There's nothing innovative about it.
What do these doors change? Do they better the experience in anyway? Cause it sounds like there's only drawbacks.
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04-14-2016, 01:39 PM
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#212
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
Different =/= Innovative
There's nothing innovative about it.
What do these doors change? Do they better the experience in anyway? Cause it sounds like there's only drawbacks.
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How often, in real life, are the ceilings so low that you wouldn't be able open the falcon doors?
The more likely issue is cars parking so close to you that you have to contort your body and wiggle in or out. This solves that, doesn't it?
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04-14-2016, 01:46 PM
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#213
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looks cool, I can see problems down the road though...much more to them than a simple hinge
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04-14-2016, 01:47 PM
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#214
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wormius
How often, in real life, are the ceilings so low that you wouldn't be able open the falcon doors?
The more likely issue is cars parking so close to you that you have to contort your body and wiggle in or out. This solves that, doesn't it?
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I'd say most parkades? The doors seem to add foot or two to the SUV's height.
It's not that it's a big deal it's just pointless to me and I'm always against making things needlessly complicated as it's just more things that can break. Especially with shoddy reliability car manufacturers like Tesla.
Sliding doors are far better in every aspect.
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04-14-2016, 02:03 PM
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#215
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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So hatchbacks don't work in parkades? I much prefer my car's hatch over the swing door on my wife's RAV4 that can't be opened when our garage door is shut.
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04-14-2016, 02:48 PM
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#216
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A drawing I found online said the Model 3 is 2.36m high with it's door open. Minimum parkade clearance allowed in Calgary is 2.15m.
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04-14-2016, 02:49 PM
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#217
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
I'd say most parkades? The doors seem to add foot or two to the SUV's height.
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This post showcases the doors opening in a garage with 88" of clearance, (similar to an average parkade.)
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/1462616/
I am not a huge fan of doors as I think they are needlessly complex, but they do work in the vast majority of situations.
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04-14-2016, 02:53 PM
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#218
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wormius
So hatchbacks don't work in parkades? I much prefer my car's hatch over the swing door on my wife's RAV4 that can't be opened when our garage door is shut.
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Cause swing doors are dumb when then they're in the back. Slide doors on the side are without a doubt the best.
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04-14-2016, 03:11 PM
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#219
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
lol what about when you're in a parkade?
gull wing doors = stupid.
ALWAYS.
100% of the time they're dumb. All they do is create problems. More #### to break too and Tesla's aren't exactly known for their high build quality.
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They've been selling 'mass produced' vehicles to the public for less than six years, did you expect them to be Toyotas?
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04-14-2016, 03:26 PM
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#220
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
Cause swing doors are dumb when then they're in the back. Slide doors on the side are without a doubt the best.
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The falcon wing doors are gimmicky. But it's really not the point - these things are $135K a pop, they're there to appeal to the vanity of the Real Housewife who's driving it.
The falcon wings also helped boost Tesla's public profile and I would guess were responsible for a couple thousand Model 3 pre-orders on their own.
Imagine criticizing the original iPhone for not being able to shoot 4K video. Teslas in their current incarnations are not going to reinvent the automotive industry as we know it. But this first generation of mass market vehicles paves the way for future development and innovation.
In my view, electric technology isn't going to become truly mainstream until another major manufacturer adopts 480V charging. And if I were running Volkswagen Auto Group, I would be SPRINTING to get some sort of deal in place to begin manufacturing of supercharge-capable electric vehicles. It would go a long way to restoring public goodwill in the wake of Dieselgate, and Audi (or any German luxury brand, for that matter) will be able to offer buyers similar intangible benefits (ie wanting to own one) to Tesla.
As I said a few pages back, Chevrolet isn't doing 350,000 pre orders for the Bolt in 3 days. But an A4 eTron with a 400km range and supercharging capability? Different story.
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