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[Dion]

Originally Posted by photon

People like Trump don't get wealthy by spending their own money.

The latest bond was posted by Knight Specialty Insurance Company who is chaired by Don Hankey, a Trump supporter. He bailed Trump out a few years ago with remortgaging some properties, and has had other financial dealings with Trump's family.

And yeah, on one hand Republicans have been trying to impeach Biden because he's supposedly getting money from others so will be influenced, while Trump openly takes money from others.

At first, Trump planned to post a mix of investment-grade bonds and cash as collateral (80% bonds and 20% cash), Hankey said. Although Knight Specialty received the bonds and approved them, he said they were not posted in the end.

“Ultimately, he put up all cash,” Hankey said, adding that he does not know where the $175 million in cash that Trump posted came from.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/inves...irm/index.html

[photon]

Thanks the article I'd read quoted Hankey a few days ago before the cash part.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Dion

“Ultimately, he put up all cash,” Hankey said, adding that he does not know where the $175 million in cash that Trump posted came from.[/I]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/inves...irm/index.html

But if a regular citizen tries to deposit more than 10k in cash they get flagged...

[MoneyGuy]

This election is giving me serious anxiety. So much is at stake. If Trump wins (unlikely but still) then the U.S. is f’d and you know it’ll seriously impact us as it emboldens the lunatics in Canada and puts the world at risk in so many ways. I don’t know if I can take the next seven months.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

This election is giving me serious anxiety. So much is at stake. If Trump wins (unlikely but still) then the U.S. is f’d and you know it’ll seriously impact us as it emboldens the lunatics in Canada and puts the world at risk in so many ways. I don’t know if I can take the next seven months.

how is it unlikely? if it is trump vs biden at the very least it is a coin toss.

[Sliver]

Yeah, "unlikely" is a wild perspective. Like Tiger, I give it a 50/50 at this point. Biden is one health hiccup from handing it to Trump, too.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tiger

how is it unlikely? if it is trump vs biden at the very least it is a coin toss.

People are way buying into skewed polls influenced by Republican propaganda. Biden will win and it won't be close. What you have to worry about is when Trump calls foul and chaos begins.

[KelVarnsen]

Hasn't that already begun?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Hasn't that already begun?

Not remotely compared to what will happen when Trump claims he won and the Republican party backs him on it.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People are way buying into skewed polls influenced by Republican propaganda. Biden will win and it won't be close. What you have to worry about is when Trump calls foul and chaos begins.

Is this happening? Can you expand on this? Interesting in learning more about this as I haven't heard anything on this,

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Tiger

how is it unlikely? if it is trump vs biden at the very least it is a coin toss.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, "unlikely" is a wild perspective. Like Tiger, I give it a 50/50 at this point. Biden is one health hiccup from handing it to Trump, too.

I think Biden takes it handily. Still nervous, however, as it’s the most important election in American history.

[photon]

Will Republicans still back him if he loses and claims foul?

He's not going to be running again in 4 years is he? Or would Republicans finally move on from Trump if he loses in November?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by photon

Will Republicans still back him if he loses and claims foul?

He's not going to be running again in 4 years is he? Or would Republicans finally move on from Trump if he loses in November?

I doubt he’s alive in four years. That lifestyle and diet will get him.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by photon

Will Republicans still back him if he loses and claims foul?

He's not going to be running again in 4 years is he? Or would Republicans finally move on from Trump if he loses in November?

There are many better reasons for wanting the grifting scum to lose, but my prurient interest in how far the GOP will follow him as he loses election after election is high on my list of reasons for it to happen

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Is this happening? Can you expand on this? Interesting in learning more about this as I haven't heard anything on this,

Do you think there is any chance when he loses he doesn't go on about how it was rigged and that they are trying to steal the election and what the people actually want? He is totally going to claim he won and I have no doubt the Republicans are going to support his claim. This is the same party who said if the Supreme Court said States could keep him off the ballot they would just count his votes anyhow. They are full board to throw out the rules. Will it work and Trump ends up President anyhow? No, but it is going to make a hell of a mess with large populations causing trouble and saying they refuse to recognize Biden as president. I think it is going to get ugly and ugly fast. I really really hope I am wrong but I don't think so.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by photon

Will Republicans still back him if he loses and claims foul?

He's not going to be running again in 4 years is he? Or would Republicans finally move on from Trump if he loses in November?

If he loses I'm sure they'd move on. But Trump hasn't lost an election, he's won one, and had one stolen from him. If Biden wins again, then clearly the election would have been stolen yet again!

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I doubt he’s alive in four years. That lifestyle and diet will get him.

If only the good die young, that means evil dies old. Ergo, the more evil, longer live... Trump's got another 40-50 years left.

[photon]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I doubt he’s alive in four years. That lifestyle and diet will get him.

If it hasn't got him by now he's won the genetic lottery.

I'd say it's more likely the dementia eventually grows to the point even his supporters will have to move on.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People are way buying into skewed polls influenced by Republican propaganda. Biden will win and it won't be close. What you have to worry about is when Trump calls foul and chaos begins.

I see it very much the opposite way. Trump barely lost in 2020 and it was because he was dogged by the pandemic; true he bungled the handling of it, but he probably cruises to re-election if the pandemic doesn't happen.

This time around, there's no pandemic, and Biden is dogged by inflation, the border, Gaza, and concerns about his age.

I think it's a big mistake to disregard what the polls are saying.

As for Trump claiming it was stolen and trying to stir up a civil war, that's not a scenario that will cost me a minute of sleep.

Trump getting back the powers of the presidency along with the most powerful military in the world and thousands of nukes... that's the scenario where all my worries reside...

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When Canadian Conservatives complain about election results, they’re told to stop relying on running up huge wins in the prairies and learn to campaign better in parts of the country they’re weak in. Not sure why the same reasoning shouldn’t apply to Democrats.

The electoral college system is stupid and meritless, and a relic of the slavery era. Lecturing people to operate better within the stupid, meritless system isn't a valid way of justifying the stupid, meritless system.

Canada has FPTP because it doesn't have a president. The US has a house that is basically a FPTP system, a senate that gives every state equal power regardless of population. So to say that the presidency should also be based on state power, is basically triple-dipping on the idea of regional representation.

When there's one president for the entire country, every vote should count equally, regardless of which part of the country it was cast in.

I wouldn't mind Canada moving to an American style government. But of course without that godawful stupid meritless electoral college. And no to the idea of each province getting equal power in the senate. PEI getting the same say as Ontario would be very silly. Lifetime appointments to the SC is also silly.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by photon

Or would Republicans finally move on from Trump if he loses in November?

What worries me is what they move onto.