08-08-2017, 09:36 AM
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Ovie is just in a position where he can just pack his bags and go to the Olympics if he chooses. I doubt that Washington would be able to do that much to their biggest star or want to do that much to their biggest star if he said Da to the Olympics.
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08-08-2017, 09:40 AM
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I can't see a scenario where he is allowed to go. The league won't grant teams permission to make exceptions because that is far too much of a slippery slope.
And if the Caps suspend him doesn't the IIHF have to honor that?
AO has a contract to play the 2017/2018 season with the Caps. He should honor that.
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08-08-2017, 09:40 AM
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#403
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
And what if they still don't win? How embarrassing would that be?
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It would be absolutely hilarious. I hope Russian NHLers do go, just for the fun of watching a team of SEL or college players beat them.
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08-08-2017, 09:47 AM
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#404
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Would the NHL suspend everyone?
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Absolutely it would. If for no other reason than to not have to pay players who have gone AWOL for three weeks. Also to put pressure on the IIHF to follow through on honouring the suspensions.
The better question is - how many players would seriously consider lighting up to a half million dollars in salary on fire just to go?
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08-08-2017, 09:54 AM
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#405
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Absolutely it would. If for no other reason than to not have to pay players who have gone AWOL for three weeks. Also to put pressure on the IIHF to follow through on honouring the suspensions.
The better question is - how many players would seriously consider lighting up to a half million dollars in salary on fire just to go?
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And if I'm the League I'm looking to find a way to hammer the PA for not controlling their members and being in breach of their contracts and further, trying to find a way to drive a wedge through the PA between the players that 'Deserted' and using that desertion to punish the rest of the PA membership.
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08-08-2017, 09:56 AM
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Ehhh, that could backfire badly, Locke. The last thing the NHL needs is to push the rank and file into unified blind support of Don Fehr, because he will sacrifice any amount of the players' careers if it means totally crushing the owners. His power has always and only been checked by the players themselves.
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08-08-2017, 10:07 AM
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#407
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NOT breaking news
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Absolutely it would. If for no other reason than to not have to pay players who have gone AWOL for three weeks. Also to put pressure on the IIHF to follow through on honouring the suspensions.
The better question is - how many players would seriously consider lighting up to a half million dollars in salary on fire just to go?
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yup and Russians phhhhttttt
now if McDavid and Crosby made this stand and insisted going to play for Canada. That would be a more serious consideration.
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08-08-2017, 10:09 AM
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#408
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Olympic Gold is important to everyone. If the Russians go, the Swedes, Finns and Czechs will want to go too. The Finns have never won gold, this would be a great opportunity. If Ovechkin goes, that genie is out of the bottle. Would the NHL suspend everyone?
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A mass revolt by the NHL's biggest starts (Ovie, Malkin, Karlsson. etc) would certainly put the league and its owners in a bit of a precarious position. Not sure the players have that backbone though at the end of the day.
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08-08-2017, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gaudfather
A mass revolt by the NHL's biggest starts (Ovie, Malkin, Karlsson. etc) would certainly put the league and its owners in a bit of a precarious position. Not sure the players have that backbone though at the end of the day.
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If you think about it though, they're the ones with the most to lose.
Suspending Crosby's pay for 3 weeks is a lot more money than suspending 3rd liners or AHLers.
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08-08-2017, 10:21 AM
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If the players were just suspended without pay for the duration of time they were at the Olympics, the NHL stars who are the highest paid, could probably stomach that.
But would the NHL then look to impose greater penalties or suspensions. And would the owners tolerate a longer suspension of a McDavid or Crosby or Ovie and risk perhaps securing a playoff spot? Some interesting dynamics would be at play.
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08-08-2017, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Locke
If you think about it though, they're the ones with the most to lose.
Suspending Crosby's pay for 3 weeks is a lot more money than suspending 3rd liners or AHLers.
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Still cheaper than a half season workstoppage to get the right to go. Not that this is a real big issue for the players compared to escrow. As for your post about the league holding the PA accountable, resolute touched on it, the last thing the league wants to do is create even more of an us vs them mentality, Donald Fehr would tell the league to go pound sand, he's not their employer, they're his.
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08-08-2017, 10:25 AM
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I suspect there might be some loss of draft pick penalties or something to discourage players from going and actively hurting the team that way?
All of it is moot until the IIHF announces if they will allow NHL players to play if they get suspended. If they plan to honour NHL suspensions it doesn't matter.
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08-08-2017, 10:27 AM
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#413
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I don't see what type of power Washington holds over Ovi to prevent him from going. Suspend him or terminate his contract and you lose your franchise player. Why would the IIHF care about honoring NHL suspensions anymore? NHL decided not to send players, all deals are off.
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08-08-2017, 10:32 AM
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I bet the IIHF would turn a blind eye to "honoring suspensions" if 100+ NHLers showed up in South Korea....
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08-08-2017, 10:37 AM
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someone mentioned that NHL Stars should now tell the NHL that they are unavailable for next years World Cup .....
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08-08-2017, 10:54 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
I suspect there might be some loss of draft pick penalties or something to discourage players from going and actively hurting the team that way?
All of it is moot until the IIHF announces if they will allow NHL players to play if they get suspended. If they plan to honour NHL suspensions it doesn't matter.
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The CBA does not have provisions to dock teams draft picks for this reason. That would be very hard to enforce.
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Originally Posted by Burner
someone mentioned that NHL Stars should now tell the NHL that they are unavailable for next years World Cup .....
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The CBA does, however, have provisions requiring participation in the World Cup as it is a joint NHL/NHLPA venture. Also a moot point given the next World Cup is scheduled for 2020, which is after the point the NHLPA will trigger the opt-out and start the next labour war.
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08-08-2017, 10:56 AM
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NOT breaking news
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There is no World Cup 2020 yet, it could easily go back into the scrap heap.
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08-08-2017, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Weitz
I suspect there might be some loss of draft pick penalties or something to discourage players from going and actively hurting the team that way?
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Draft picks would punish the team more than the player. I would imagine that the change in team dynamics by abandoning your teammates mid season might be enough to encourage players to stay.
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08-08-2017, 11:13 AM
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#420
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
I suspect there might be some loss of draft pick penalties or something to discourage players from going and actively hurting the team that way?
All of it is moot until the IIHF announces if they will allow NHL players to play if they get suspended. If they plan to honour NHL suspensions it doesn't matter.
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You would think the league would want to punish the players, not the owners. In ovechkins case being on a long term deal I can see where you're coming from but in the case of a player on a 1year or expiring contract how would this deter the player whatsoever? This would actually give the owners more incentive to push the league to let the players go IMO
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