UPDATE: NHLPA votes for further negotiations on 24-team return to play format

[dino7c]

Something tells me Ovi would have lit this guy up

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Arizona and Florida are experts at playing at home in front of zero fans I don’t underestimate their ability to get up for these games.

Experts at playing, yes.

Experts at winning, no.


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[JBR]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... Because that's the whole point of adjusted goals? The actual goal totals are misleading because of different scoring rates in different eras? If Ovechkin played in Bossy's era he'd have 800+ already.

But he didn't and he doesn't. Adjusted stats are a big "what if..."

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JBR

But he didn't and he doesn't. Adjusted stats are a big "what if..."

Not so much a "what if," as they are a "how do these compare?"

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[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by JBR

But he didn't and he doesn't. Adjusted stats are a big "what if..."

I'm not a big fan of adjusted stats, but they are really the only way to compare eras because of the way scoring has fluctuated over the years.

[powderjunkie]

Nothing is definitive, adjusted stats are just a good counterpoint to arguments like Bossy/Bure/Lemieux had better g/gp.

Adjusted stats also adjust for season length, so my quick calculations are imperfect (though all of the guys listed have always played 80-84 game seasons, so it's not a big deal).

It's interesting that Bure/Bossy were both done by age 31, with their final season being less productive. Ovechkin teased us with a career low* of 33 in his age 31 season...but has then scored 148 in his next 2.84 seasons.

Unadjusted, nobody has ever scored at this rate after 31

[sureLoss]

FWIW LeBrun says that if he had to guess, the Flames will get the 3rd round pick from the Oilers for the Lucic-Neal trade. The NHL has not provided any clarity as of this weekend according to his sources.

https://theathletic.com/1846465/2020...he-right-call/

The NHL did provide clarity on any conditional trades dependent on whether a team makes the playoffs though:

“More specifically, for Trade condition purposes, a Club will not be deemed to have qualified for the Playoffs unless or until they have progressed into the Round of 16, and ‘Playoff Games/Rounds’ will only include the games/rounds played in the Round of 16 or later. We believe this interpretation will best reflect the intentions of the parties at the time of the Trade,” the league stipulated.

[TheScorpion]

Boy those smug Oilers fans who laughed about the Flames not having a chance in hell at getting the pick are gonna be surprised.

[AC]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW LeBrun says that if he had to guess, the Flames will get the 3rd round pick from the Oilers for the Lucic-Neal trade. The NHL has not provided any clarity as of this weekend according to his sources.

https://theathletic.com/1846465/2020...he-right-call/

The whining out of Edmonton would be glorious.

[djsFlames]

And with that third we will draft a player better than Neal.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW LeBrun says that if he had to guess, the Flames will get the 3rd round pick from the Oilers for the Lucic-Neal trade. The NHL has not provided any clarity as of this weekend according to his sources.

https://theathletic.com/1846465/2020...he-right-call/

The NHL did provide clarity on any conditional trades dependent on whether a team makes the playoffs though:

From LeBrun's column. "common sense would dictate you prorate what Neal and Lucic did, and that the condition would have been met over a full season."
I'm not even sure how anyone could argue against this.

[CliffFletcher]

The problem from the NHL’s point of view is if they pro-rate production for conditional trades, the players will ask why they don’t pro-rate production for player bonuses. Which would cost teams a lot of cash.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem from the NHL’s point of view is if they pro-rate production for conditional trades, the players will ask why they don’t pro-rate production for player bonuses. Which would cost teams a lot of cash.

I mean... teams probably should have to do that too, right? Seems fair to me.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem from the NHL’s point of view is if they pro-rate production for conditional trades, the players will ask why they don’t pro-rate production for player bonuses. Which would cost teams a lot of cash.

How many players actually have player bonuses they would have achieved though? The performance bonuses were gone now outside ELCs and 35+ contracts.

I high doubt there are many players who would be affected at all.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem from the NHL’s point of view is if they pro-rate production for conditional trades, the players will ask why they don’t pro-rate production for player bonuses. Which would cost teams a lot of cash.

I'd be very surprised if they don't prorate stats for performance bonus purposes. After the 2012 lockout, all stats were prorated for the purpose of awarding performance bonuses that season.

In fact, I would guess that the conversation around prorating stats would start with how to handle performance bonuses, and then move onto trade conditions from there.



The other thing to consider with performance bonuses is that we're talking about a very small number of players who would be impacted. There are some players, like Elias Pettersson, who have already maxed out their bonuses for the year, so prorating stats won't make a difference. There are many more players whose prorated stats still wouldn't push them into bonus territory. It's really only a small handful of players league-wide who would benefit from prorating and many of them don't have big bonuses on their contracts anyway.

If you added up the difference between prorating stats or not for the purposes of calculating performance bonuses, it likely wouldn't top $3 million league-wide (and that's before any escrow clawback).

[AC]

Originally Posted by Dan02

How many players actually have player bonuses they would have achieved though? The performance bonuses were gone now outside ELCs and 35+ contracts.

I high doubt there are many players who would be affected at all.

Capfriendly lists 106 players on active rosters with potential performance bonuses. Can't seem to find specifics regarding their requirements though.

Safe to assume some were within reach given another 10-12 games.

[chummer]

Gary Bettman was right when he said they haven't picked hub cities because things are changing so fast.

With all the unrest in the States, Toronto-Edmonton/Vancouver are starting to look pretty good as hub cities.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by AC

Capfriendly lists 106 players on active rosters with potential performance bonuses. Can't seem to find specifics regarding their requirements though.

Safe to assume some were within reach given another 10-12 games.

Many of the performance bonus categories are based on a player's performance relative to the other players on his team at his position, or per game stats. As such, those categories are already essentially prorated.

The only categories that are based on hard limits are goals, assists, and points. For forwards, the minimum thresholds are 20G, 35A, 60P. For defencemen, they're 10G, 25A, 40P.


For example, if you look at forward goals: 6 players have already hit the 20 goal mark without prorating. 4 players would prorate to 20+ goals. All the other players who have performance bonuses on their contracts would not hit the 20 goal minimum if their stats were prorated.

The four players who would prorate to 20+ goals are: DeBrusk, Barzal, DeBrincat, and Dubois. In Barzal's case, he has already hit the minimums for assists and points, as well as points per game, and he played in the All-Star Game -- meaning he has already maxed out his bonuses and prorating his goals wouldn't change anything.

Dubois is the only one of the four with maximum bonuses on his contract. DeBrincat's total available for performance bonuses is only $32,500 this season, so it might not even include anything for G/A/P.

There are only 2 d-men who would prorate over 10 goals, Hronek and Dunn. Like the forwards, neither of them has maximum bonuses on their contracts.


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As far as I can tell, here are all of the players in the NHL who would benefit from having their stats prorated for the purposes of calculating their performance bonuses. The number following their names is the total value of performance bonuses on their contracts. Keep in mind that the maximum amount a player can receive for any one bonus category is $212,500. This is based on the contract information from CapFriendly and I have no idea how any of their contracts are actually structured...
GOALS

• Pierre-Luc Dubois ($2,500,000)
• Jake DeBrusk ($450,000)
• Mathew Barzal ($400,000)
• Filip Hronek ($182,500)
• Vince Dunn ($57,500)
• Alex DeBrincat ($32,500)

ASSISTS

• Pierre-Luc Dubois ($2,500,000)
• Mikhail Sergachev ($850,000)
• Robert Thomas ($425,000)
• Filip Hronek ($182,500)

POINTS

• Miro Heiskanen ($2,500,000)

The players who are crossed out have otherwise already qualified for the maximum of 4 bonus categories and wouldn't gain anything from prorating these stats.


If you factor in each player's maximum bonuses and the maximum that can be earned in any one category, the total value of all bonuses that could be awarded based on prorating player stats is only $1,122,500.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by chummer

Gary Bettman was right when he said they haven't picked hub cities because things are changing so fast.

With all the unrest in the States, Toronto-Edmonton/Vancouver are starting to look pretty good as hub cities.

We're still at least a month or two away from any games being played though. Who knows what things will look like by then?

But you're right, Canada is probably looking pretty good to them right now.

[djsFlames]

If I were the league execs, I'd absolutely be on the Canada train right now. Less chance of covid and/or other outside things disrupting your tournament in any way. And you keep both hubs on the same side of the border (arguably the less ####ed side).