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Old 06-03-2020, 12:27 AM   #1501
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Sadly, I think an awful lot of cops caught up in this "protest", or whatever you want to call it at this point, agree. I have to think there are many, many cops who agree and have no interest in battling protesters as they agree with them at the basis of it all. We just see the bad apples as it's far better news. Sad all around.
I recently saw something that is obvious (I think John Oliver here?) it’s not a few bad apples are a ####ty thing to have it’s a few bad apples spoil the bunch. So until there is real condemnation within the ranks it’s a ####ty saying to use.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:12 AM   #1502
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Denver officer who posted Instagram photo with the caption 'let's start a riot' is fired





https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-riot-is-fired

On the plus side, he can still start a riot against the police.

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Old 06-03-2020, 01:20 AM   #1503
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:25 AM   #1504
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I love how quickly he runs away.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:35 AM   #1505
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Talk to online buddy who is a cop in a suburb of Detroit. He was absolutely pissed at that officer, like raging mad. Every cop he has talk to in his department and surrounding departments feels similar to him. He said he murdered him, simple as that. They are taught to subdue by putting their knee in between the shoulder blades so that they are weighing down the central mass. They are specifically taught NOT to put knees on neck. Sometimes the knee can slip onto the neck if the guy is fighting back hard, but they try to readjust until he is under control. He added that to sit on a guys neck when he is subdued and saying he can't breath for 10 minutes (or whatever the time frame) is flat out deliberate (not negligent), against training and is frankly murder.

I don't how you can come to the conclusion you did, what that cop did was blatant.
There's no reason to restrain anyone in any way once you have them cuffed and on their stomach, it is really tough to get to your feet once they have you like that
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I love how quickly he runs away.
Yes these riots haven't been a good look for mid twenties skater boys
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:42 AM   #1507
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I love how quickly he runs away.
Kid knew the next move would’ve been him eating that skateboard
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:43 AM   #1509
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This is two days old so apologies if already posted.

The NY Times put together a video chain of the events leading to and resulting in the death of George Floyd. I had only seen separate clips.

It’s difficult to watch and completely heartbreaking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/u...stigation.html
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Guy tries to set off fireworks in a busy intersection. Random protestor wouldn’t have it


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Stealing cars from the riots.






This store was ramsacked!

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For those wondering, the KPIX 5 video (cars) is from the Bay Area and the Kare 11 (grocery store) is from Minneapolis
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:10 AM   #1513
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Nice to see some more justice on ####head cops

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/02/86812...g-arrest-video



It was from this incident

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267288518277160964


https://twitter.com/user/status/1268014546129731587

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Old 06-03-2020, 06:37 AM   #1514
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Studies I have read show that it is not white on black racism in police forces, it is cop on black racism, they have also shown that the colour of the cops skin doesn't matter.

Racism is just discrimination base on the targets race. The race of the person doing the discrimination doesn't matter.

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Old 06-03-2020, 07:19 AM   #1515
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There's no reason to restrain anyone in any way once you have them cuffed and on their stomach, it is really tough to get to your feet once they have you like that
He would agree. When they are fighting / resisting hard they have to use the techniques they are taught to get them in hand-cuffs. He said particularly if the guy is strong (think meth/coke induced strong), and / or big it can very challenging even with 4 or 5 cops. Sometimes, the techniques include inflicting pain to get compliance. This would include baton to the outside of the calves or arms, but not to head etc.

The big thing he says is once the battle is done (ie cuffs on) it is very important to disengage. No more strikes, no name calling, etc. The goal is to never associate custody with pain or degradation. It will only make them fight harder the next time.

Funny thing he said is one of his most important tools is carrying Kit Kats. He will often offer them Kit Kats shortly after they are arrested or other food / drink back at the precinct. He says he is always surprised how much good-will this buys sometimes.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:28 AM   #1516
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He would agree. When they are fighting / resisting hard they have to use the techniques they are taught to get them in hand-cuffs. He said particularly if the guy is strong (think meth/coke induced strong), and / or big it can very challenging even with 4 or 5 cops. Sometimes, the techniques include inflicting pain to get compliance. This would include baton to the outside of the calves or arms, but not to head etc.

The big thing he says is once the battle is done (ie cuffs on) it is very important to disengage. No more strikes, no name calling, etc. The goal is to never associate custody with pain or degradation. It will only make them fight harder the next time.

Funny thing he said is one of his most important tools is carrying Kit Kats. He will often offer them Kit Kats shortly after they are arrested or other food / drink back at the precinct. He says he is always surprised how much good-will this buys sometimes.
Everything about deescalation makes sense internally:
- the obvious human rights reasons
- less exhausting arrests for officers
- less injuries to officers = happier insurance/workers compensation workers
- less weapons discharges = less paperwork, fewer wasted police hours, less budget usage.
- years of good will from the above = less stress on officers due to less fear in the public. More community support grows. Less officer addictions, health costs.
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This is hilarious...though he is fortunate he didnt get shot.

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Police brutality....Canadian style.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...owna-1.5595804


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Old 06-03-2020, 08:30 AM   #1519
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Studies I have read show that it is not white on black racism in police forces, it is cop on black racism, they have also shown that the colour of the cops skin doesn't matter.

Racism is just discrimination base on the targets race. The race of the person doing the discrimination doesn't matter.
Having been on the inside of law enforcement in the US there is a lot of racism involved. A LOT. A disturbing amount to be honest. The narrative of the police being the best and the brightest that society has to offer is just that, a narrative, and a false one at that. The problem is the police are hiring the wrong type of officers and wrong type of personalities.

While I was working on my doctorate I completed an internal study on the history of department I was at and the failure to transition from the professional policing model to a community oriented policing model. The failures were many, but recruitment, training, and forced attrition were the biggest contributors. Senior leadership adopted the appropriate mentality, but they did not fix institutional biases towards certain personalities and change training to prepare offices for the street.

The problem begin at recruitment. The police are on the lookout for people who already have experience with, or the propensity to accept, working in a rigid chain of command, willing to accept and act on orders. This means a lot of ex-military, who are not trained as peace keepers but trained as brunt instruments of violence. For some reason they also look for people with certain skills in combat sport, again leaning toward people with a propensity toward violent confrontation. To make matters worse, the rigidity of the psych profiling was softened so more individuals would get through screening and into the academy, meaning that the process to filter out those with propensities to violence and psychopathic tendencies was eliminated. So now you had to rely on training to change behaviors.

Behavior modification does not happen quickly, and during a high intensity seven to twelve week long academy behavior modification does not happen. While observing the academy it became evident that behavior amplification was happening more so than behavior modeling. Certain personality traits were encouraged, and not those that included compassion, communication, and cooperation. This was where things consistently fell apart. The people who did display the behaviors needed for success in community oriented policing were being filtered out by the training lieutenants and the candidates who displayed a willingness to use controlled violence were passed through. When training regiments are focused primarily on confrontation and means to control those confrontation through uses of non-lethal force (means that can can be used for lethal force if pressed) you put a certain mindset on the street.

Community oriented policing requires people who display behaviors associated with compassion, communication, and cooperation. These are more type B personalities unlike the uber type A personalities that make up most law enforcement organizations. To adapt to this model you need to attract and put more of these type B personalities into the mix, especially in leadership roles. You still need some of those blunt instruments, but they must be led by those who understand and can use compassion, can communicate effectively with their constituents, and then work with the community through a cooperative effort to police the community. There are too many authoritarian LEOs out there, and too many agencies that rely on the "cracking heads" way of doing business. When you couple this with racial bias it becomes a very dangerous mix and what we are seeing around the United States right now.
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