[Trade] Taylor Hall (50% retained) and Lazar traded to BOS for Anders Bjork and a 2nd

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I'm confused...is that not exactly what Feaster did? Except that he told the Bruins that they had a deal before he got Iginla to sign off on it. Which made him look like a complete horses ass, and the Flames as a whole into the laughing stock of the league.

I imagine the GM's try to get players to sign away the NTC to give them more teams, but why would any player agree to do this until they see which teams will make a deal.

As I said earlier the difference between this deal and what they could have made is likely negligible. The Sabres have an extra pick a player who might offer some depth, and a chance to sign him back in the offseason now. Better than Savemedrzaius suggesting that they go Harold Ballard and hoard him out of spite.

Nah. IIRC he took both deals to Iggy and said pick one. If he like the Bruins offer better he should have taken it to Iggy. At most say "I'm working on one for Pitt but it's not as good, so I want this one".

I actually don't recall him telling Boston they had a deal, as opposed to "we have a deal subject to waiver", which was essentially Kadri.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s not crazy to do that at all and all Iggy can do is say no. There’s no harm in trying that approach instead of just handing the keys over.

But you don’t know that that was exactly what happened. Especially since it’s the most obvious way these things tend to go down. I expect players seldom just hand over a list unless they are contractually obligated to do so. If they did, they are immediately watering down the NTC.

GM’s are not idiots.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nah. IIRC he took both deals to Iggy and said pick one. If he like the Bruins offer better he should have taken it to Iggy. At most say "I'm working on one for Pitt but it's not as good, so I want this one".

I actually don't recall him telling Boston they had a deal, as opposed to "we have a deal subject to waiver", which was essentially Kadri.

That’s what he may have said. And Iggy may have said, “ work one out with Pittsburgh”.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That’s what he may have said. And Iggy may have said, “ work one out with Pittsburgh”.


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I don’t think that was the reporting at all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But you don’t know that that was exactly what happened. Especially since it’s the most obvious way these things tend to go down. I expect players seldom just hand over a list unless they are contractually obligated to do so. If they did, they are immediately watering down the NTC.

GM’s are not idiots.


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Feaster was an idiot. He proved that with ROR. And Jankowski.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Feaster was an idiot. He proved that with ROR. And Jankowski.

Feaster wasn’t the first or last GM who missed on a draft choice.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think that was the reporting at all.

Unlike you, I don’t believe everything that is reported by the uninformed media.

I guess everything Francis says is true.


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[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unlike you, I don’t believe everything that is reported by the uninformed media.

I guess everything Francis says is true.


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There’s a difference between critical thinking and making up fairytales.

While your notion is possible, there’s no reason to believe it is remotely accurate


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[getbak]

Feaster explained what happened with Iginla at a STH event I attended that summer:

In early March, when the team was on the road in LA, he met with Iggy and told him that the team was going to be moving in a different direction and would like his permission to explore trade options for him. Iggy agreed to talk to his agent and provide a list of teams he'd be willing to waive for.

Later, Feaster talked to Meehan to get the list, which was about 3 or 4 teams. Meehan also suggested that Iggy might be open to a couple of other teams if the original group weren't interested. Feaster didn't say which list Boston was on, but he implied they were on the "open to consideration" list.

Feaster talked to the teams on the list to gauge interest and ultimately Chiarelli was willing to give the best deal (in Feaster's opinion). Feaster called Meehan and said that they had a deal with the Bruins. Meehan replied that Feaster had a deal with the Bruins but he didn't have a deal with Meehan/Iginla. Feaster said he was shocked by this and had never had an agent say something like that.

Meehan asked if Pittsburgh had made an offer. Feaster replied that they had but it wasn't as good as Boston's. Meehan then replied that Jarome wanted to go to Pittsburgh and if Feaster couldn't make it happen, he'd be happy to play out the rest of the season in Calgary.

Feaster had to decide whether or not to call his bluff, and chose to pull the trigger on the trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Feaster wasn’t the first or last GM who missed on a draft choice.


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I can’t recall anyone else trading down from the teens in order to pick a guy in the 20s who was ranked in the 40s (at best). And the ROR one was sheer incompetence, not just a misevaluation.

[Street Pharmacist]

I know the Hall trade was a while ago and people have moved on from talking about the actual thread subject, but the Iggy trade was 8 years ago....

[jlh2640]

God I miss Jarome Iginla being our leader.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can’t recall anyone else trading down from the teens in order to pick a guy in the 20s who was ranked in the 40s (at best). And the ROR one was sheer incompetence, not just a misevaluation.

I feel dirty defending Feaster...

But at least he correctly identified that the Flames needed better centres, especially a first line centre, and tried everything he could to improve there.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

God I miss Jarome Iginla being our leader.

I seem to remember a fractured dressing room and the impression it was a country club when he was leader.

Jarome was a solid piece on a team with leadership not the leader.

The example above where he effed the Flames on his trade is nuff said

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I feel dirty defending Feaster...

But at least he correctly identified that the Flames needed better centres, especially a first line centre, and tried everything he could to improve there.

I hear Tomas Hertl plays C.

Calgary was also a little weak in goal. Vasilevsky would have fit in pretty well. Of course, no one needs a RW like Wilson.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I seem to remember a fractured dressing room and the impression it was a country club when he was leader.

Jarome was a solid piece on a team with leadership not the leader.

The example above where he effed the Flames on his trade is nuff said

Were you born after 2004?

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Feaster was an idiot. He proved that with ROR. And Jankowski.

Remember Treliving had a chance to not sign Jankowski and get a 2nd rounder as compensation and chose to sign Jankowski. Treliving had much more information. He should have taken the pick and walked away.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Remember Treliving had a chance to not sign Jankowski and get a 2nd rounder as compensation and chose to sign Jankowski. Treliving had much more information. He should have taken the pick and walked away.

That's not remotely true. You get a compensatory pick if the player refuses to sign. You get nothing if you choose to walk away.

Jankowski was made a pretty standard offer for an ELC, and he accepted it. If he had not received that offer, he would have been a UFA.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Remember Treliving had a chance to not sign Jankowski and get a 2nd rounder as compensation and chose to sign Jankowski. Treliving had much more information. He should have taken the pick and walked away.

Easier said in hindsight. Jankowski may not have looked like the top line center Weisbrod and Feaster tried hard to sell. But he was a big bodied guy who could skate really well. He had a good rookie season in the AHL and scored 27 goals in his first two years if you remove his 4 goal game. So at the time that looks a better asset than the 52 pick in the draft.

As for Hall...playing on the second line in Boston looks to be a decent fit. He may have chosen wisely here.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's not remotely true. You get a compensatory pick if the player refuses to sign. You get nothing if you choose to walk away.

Jankowski was made a pretty standard offer for an ELC, and he accepted it. If he had not received that offer, he would have been a UFA.

Could they have not made a standard offer, but instead one beneath a player of his standing's expectations?
Could they have told Jankowski they were not interested in him anymore and it would be in his best interest not to sign with them - though they had to offer him a contract in order to reclaim something from the investment?