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Old 12-22-2020, 09:01 PM   #21
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Have they considered using any newfangled technology that could easily detect this, so there is no gray area? Probably not, since it's the NHL.
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:12 PM   #22
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No, but they have considered newfangled advertising on helmets.

A bit off topic but it’s new too and I didn’t feel like starting a thread. Or looking to see if one was started.

https://torontosun.com/sports/traiko...ok-for-the-nhl

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While the two bubbles in Toronto and Edmonton were a successful means in staging the Stanley Cup playoffs last summer, they ended up costing teams a ton of money.
TV revenue alone is not enough to sustain a league that is driven by gate receipts. Even with limited seating in Arizona and other states, such as Florida, the hope is that eventually all 31 teams will be able to welcome some fans into the building before the end of the season.

It’s why Forbes Magazine announced last week that franchise values had decreased. It is also why the NHL is now allowing teams to put advertisements on the players’ helmets. The Washington Capitals announced Capital One as their “season-long official helmet entitlement partner,” while the New Jersey Devils decided on Prudential Financial.
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:13 PM   #23
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Thanks for the clarification — is that title better?
Yes. Nailed it. Sorry for being snarky. Shovelled too much snow today.
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:14 PM   #24
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Have they considered using any newfangled technology that could easily detect this, so there is no gray area? Probably not, since it's the NHL.
I thought they were testing radar like they use in tennis for goals, but not sure where that ended up.
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No, but they have considered newfangled advertising on helmets.

A bit off topic but it’s new too and I didn’t feel like starting a thread. Or looking to see if one was started.

https://torontosun.com/sports/traiko...ok-for-the-nhl
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=181645
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:21 PM   #27
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Oh yeah, thanks. Missed that!
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Old 12-22-2020, 09:31 PM   #28
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This was such a stupid rule.

Enter the offensive zone but dont skate! Glide into it! Thank god this is over with.

One of the dumbest rules ever.
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Old 12-22-2020, 11:03 PM   #29
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Good.

Now put a time limit on replays - if you can’t tell within 30 seconds looking at slo motion HD video whether or not a call is correct, you should defer to the call made by the professionals you appoint to make those calls on the ice.
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Now put a time limit on replays - if you can’t tell within 30 seconds looking at slo motion HD video whether or not a call is correct, you should defer to the call made by the professionals you appoint to make those calls on the ice.
The rule change is going to speed offside reviews up big time. The linesmen won't have to deliberate if the skate was on the ice at the moment the puck crossed the line, only if the skate was over the line. Trying to determine if the player was in contact with the ice is what took the most time.

Biggest problem is the duality that the blueline is in hockey. Gaining the zone it's the forward/attacking edge that matters. Once the puck is in the zone it's the back/defending edge that matters.

This duality is different than most other sports; you are either in or out, never both. For football out of bounds is the sideline; step on it you are out. For tennis and baseball, hit the line and it's in.

For hockey, it depends.
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Old 12-23-2020, 06:24 AM   #31
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I assume all rink will or do have blue line cameras aligned with both the front of the blue line as shown in the rule change video, because otherwise this will create some review nightmares (similar to the ambiguity in high-sticking reviews, or 2004). Presumably there's going to be at least an unwritten rule not to kick back when entering the zone or it will be a player safety issue.
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Old 12-23-2020, 07:27 AM   #32
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Every time they tweak offsides all I can think about is 'why is this still a thing?!?!?!'

Offsides in both soccer and hockey seems so useless. It creates artificial choke points that prevent offense. While I know as an American it may seem cliche to use football as an example (I am not that big of a fan actually) but its not like there is any rule that says you can't throw the ball past 15 yards. Or that you cant throw the ball behind where a defender is. The defense covers the entire playing surface.

Happy to listen to counter arguments. I am thinking one solid reason would be without the blue lines there might be too much speed and dangerous collisions could become more common. But I somewhat dismiss that as right now so many of the big hits and dangerous collisions happen because of people trying to get across the blue line into the zone.
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...I guess this means instead of dragging your skate at the blue line we will start seeing figure skating moves with a leg stretched back in the air crossing the blue line?
I doubt it. It is still much easier to skate with both feet on the ice.

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Now if only Sportsnet could figure out how to stop a replay on the proper frame. There's two frames that matter. The frame where the player was over the line. The frame where the puck was over the line. Stop on the one that came first, instead of looping 5 seconds over and over trying to judge what was first while the replay is playing.

They have a photo finish in the 100 meter dash. They don't loop the last few seconds over and over to determine who crossed the line first.
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Old 12-23-2020, 08:23 AM   #35
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They need to have the blue line cameras recording at like 120fps. It would solve so many issues. So often the jump between one frame and the other is so large they’re calculating or guessing in their heads.
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Everything and anything should be challengable. Each team gets 1.

Ruling overturned - team keeps challenge

Inconclusive - team loses challenge (ruling on ice stands)

Ruling confirmed - team loses challenge and 2 minute penalty


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Old 12-23-2020, 11:31 AM   #37
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I also believe it should be the front foot. And it should either the puck or the front foot just touching the line to be in the zone, not across the line.

I've never understood why the puck has to clear the entire blue line to be considered out, and then have to clear the entire blue again to be considered in. The width of blue line should always be "in the zone." Like the goaline in football is always part of the endzone, and the goal line in soccer or hockey is never part of the goal.
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Sensors in the boards, transmitter in the puck, transmitters in the player's skates. Computer calls offside.

Also, I thought the experiment years back with the two-foot wide blue lines was cool. Increase the size of all three zones without changing the size of the rink.
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Now if only Sportsnet could figure out how to stop a replay on the proper frame. There's two frames that matter. The frame where the player was over the line. The frame where the puck was over the line. Stop on the one that came first, instead of looping 5 seconds over and over trying to judge what was first while the replay is playing.

They have a photo finish in the 100 meter dash. They don't loop the last few seconds over and over to determine who crossed the line first.
Plus, all of the recorders should be time-synched so they can easily switch between camera angles at the exact same frame. Sometimes, one camera has a perfect view of the puck but an unclear view of the player while another camera has a great view of the player but not the puck.
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I’m still and will forever be on the side wanting absolutely no challenges whatsoever, but this is a start.
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