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Old 02-12-2024, 03:34 AM   #1
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I just read this article:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...or-improvement

I am curious what the CP minds have to say in regard to this. As someone who works in education I am keen to see what you all have to say in response to this. There are a number of teachers that are speaking out in the comments and I find it interesting that they are starting to as often they don't. However, they are doing so anonymously, which is also telling.

I don't want it to turn into an argument about unions and whining teachers as that is not helpful (I could rant about both of these for days). I am wondering what solutions the non-education public has, as there is a problem. Results are dropping, classrooms are overly full, funding is a concern (I would argue how it is used more than total amount), and we need to address this as a city with a unified solution. I feel like the average person I speak to has ideas about solutions but doesn't realize the power they have to invoke change and often feel helpless. Thoughts?
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Old 02-12-2024, 08:06 AM   #2
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I’m a CBE teacher who’s taught in many of the programs discussed in the article, including elementary and high school LEAD. I’m curious as to what is it about the funding structure that you’re not a fan of?
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Old 02-12-2024, 08:41 AM   #3
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Considering how much less than other provinces that we spend on education per student now, I am not surprised to see results starting to drop. We are finally hitting that tipping point where lack of funding is affecting results.

Links from both sides of the debate included for reference.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...anada-2022.pdf

https://teachers.ab.ca/news/alberta-...%20the%20list.
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Would need to see CBE results compared to the other three major school boards in the province, and also against the rest of the province in general before we can conclude it's CBE related, perhaps related to the large cities or indicative of a larger issue across the entire Alberta school system.
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Probably need more PD days.
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Probably need more PD days.
My wife worked for CBE here for many years and is now in BC/Kelowna area working for whatever their public district. I think she has had 1 PD day off since being there. She said it is night and day and none of those Friday afternoons out at 2 thing. Funding is way better.
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Old 02-12-2024, 12:43 PM   #7
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What scores are declining, the 1 - 4 scale or the SR - EX scale?

I've got a 14 y/o in grade nine, and a 10 y/o in grade 4. I don't recall seeing tests with scores that might indicate how they're actually doing in a subject, so I am not being flippant about that question.
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Probably need more PD days.
I'm so beyond triggered about this subject that all I can do is tip my hat to whoever has negotiated this for the union.

The article talks about families not being able to return to a routine, post-Covid. Well, I can tell you that I fall into that group and a big part of the struggle is finding any kind of rhythm with the sheer volume and randomness of days off in the CBE standard calendar.
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If I had to guess I would say that the additional burden on teachers due to oversized classrooms combined with a rising number of ESL students probably has a lot more to do with declining scores than a handful of PDs. (Side note it’s funny when people refer to them as PD days, the D isn’t silent in PD )
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Aren't they Professional Development... days?
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Aren't they Professional Development... days?
I thought they changed them to professional days? My bad if not

edit: my bad for sure, I remembered noticing them changing the name but i just checked my kids’ school calendar and it was changed to professional growth days. Double

Damn, that’s $0.45 in bags in a single post

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Do people think that PD days are days off for the teacher?

Professional Development. Depending on how strict administration is for each school, it's so the government can indoctrinate the teachers, so that they can later indoctrinate your kids. They have to be in the school or at a seminar, not skiing.

It inconvenienced me! Therefore I am enraged!

Reasons the marks are dropping.

Covid interruption.
Overflowing classrooms.
Poor curriculum.
No time for one-on-one instruction.
Less time for parents/tutors to help as the population gets poorer.
Mixed 10/20/40 classes, with little support.
New grading procedures.
Admin catering to parents.
Weak parenting that blames the teachers for poor results.
Overall air of hostility.
The governments "war on teachers".
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At this rate, you'll have to hit the ATM machine.
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I'm curious about the over-flowing classrooms. I just feel like we've had this discussion and issue for years (going back to when I was a kid in the CBE actually). Is there any where that has compiled the data to show how class sizes have changed through the years?
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Our conservative government stopped keeping track of class sizes because it's an "irrelevant" metric

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...izes-1.6957313
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...size-reporting

The bill calling for the return of it failed:

https://teachers.ab.ca/news/bill-cal...rting-defeated

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I'm curious about the over-flowing classrooms. I just feel like we've had this discussion and issue for years (going back to when I was a kid in the CBE actually). Is there any where that has compiled the data to show how class sizes have changed through the years?
You're not going to get that data because the UCP government removed class size reporting requirements in 2019. I think the reason is obvious. Here's a cbc article that digs a tiny bit deeper: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...izes-1.6957313
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I'm curious about the over-flowing classrooms. I just feel like we've had this discussion and issue for years (going back to when I was a kid in the CBE actually). Is there any where that has compiled the data to show how class sizes have changed through the years?
Well, we both know it's union propaganda.

They can't exactly complain about salary, vacation time or benefits. Those are all first rate, particularly in this economy.

What's that leave for the union to rile teachers and their spouses up about? Class sizes. It's their go-to and it works every time. Worked in the late 80s, worked through the 90s, worked in the 2000s, worked in the 2010s and of course it'll work in the 2020s.

I know for a fact anybody between 16 and 60 knows teachers have always complained about class sizes. There isn't a teacher working today who didn't know what they were signing up for, but they all get amnesia as soon as they start teaching and think they're being overworked and underappreciated with these HUGE class sizes nobody ever told them to expect lol.

Rinse and repeat for the next 50 years, I guess.
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The people most impacted by large class size are not teachers.
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Well, we both know it's union propaganda.

They can't exactly complain about salary, vacation time or benefits. Those are all first rate, particularly in this economy.

What's that leave for the union to rile teachers and their spouses up about? Class sizes. It's their go-to and it works every time. Worked in the late 80s, worked through the 90s, worked in the 2000s, worked in the 2010s and of course it'll work in the 2020s.

I know for a fact anybody between 16 and 60 knows teachers have always complained about class sizes. There isn't a teacher working today who didn't know what they were signing up for, but they all get amnesia as soon as they start teaching and think they're being overworked and underappreciated with these HUGE class sizes nobody ever told them to expect lol.

Rinse and repeat for the next 50 years, I guess.
Well the ATA thinks class sizes are too large, because their aim is more teachers. No surprise to that one. And of course parents fall on their side because they want their kids to have smaller classes and be geniuses.

I don't know...I just know that my class sizes were too big and that was a lot of years ago. Class sizes have been a problem constantly, it seems.
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I know for a fact anybody between 16 and 60 knows teachers have always complained about class sizes. There isn't a teacher working today who didn't know what they were signing up for, but they all get amnesia as soon as they start teaching and think they're being overworked and underappreciated with these HUGE class sizes nobody ever told them to expect lol.
I don't think that's true at all. BC teachers won a court case nearly a decade ago restoring their old class size/composition rules that they had bargained for. Since then, I haven't really heard any teachers complaining about class sizes like they did before the ruling. And it hasn't been a notable issue in bargaining since then either.
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