Hasn't Kevin Hart had several Netflix specials and starred in multiple big-budget blockbusters since then? Seems like he's still allowed to tell jokes.
EDIT: Roseanne was being explicitly racist was she not? It wasn't telling jokes that got her in trouble.
South Park will never be invited to host the Oscars. Neither will Cartman or Randy.
They are also television shows. Kevin Hart and Rosanne did that #### in real life.
When even Chappelle fans say what he did transcends comedy, you can’t turn around and hide behind the veil of comedy. It was clearly deeply personal and went well beyond going for laughs.
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South Park will never be invited to host the Oscars. Neither will Cartman or Randy.
They are also television shows. Kevin Hart and Rosanne did that #### in real life.
When even Chappelle fans say what he did transcends comedy, you can’t turn around and hide behind the veil of comedy. It was clearly deeply personal and went well beyond going for laughs.
People also seem to confuse "cancel culture" with just straight capitalism. The Oscars are a brand. They didn't want their brand associated with homophobia. That's how it goes. It's the same reason The Dixie Chicks got taken off country music stations in the 00s. If your brand hurts another brand's bottom line, they're going to end their relationship with you.
I think there are calls for Chappelle to be taken off of Netflix, but I don't think that's the primary motivation at this point. I'm not going to invalidate someone, especially a member of the LGBTQ+ community, feeling offended by the special. Generally, I'm for the majority of demands the protesters and Netflix employees are asking for, but I think they are mistaken in their target.
If they really looked at what Chappelle was saying and the points he was trying to make they may change their opinions of him and his comedy. Or maybe not. I just got a vastly different experience out of The Closer than they did, and I still don't fully understand the outrage, let alone call-outs for hate speech.
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I hope Netflix fires every single employee who walked out... and their parents call asking for their jobs back.
well, if we're playing that game, I hope that everyone who is a TERF and believes in trans-exclusionary views loses their jobs and also gets kicked very hard in the crotch.
Where were these employees for cuties? Apparently the extreme sexualization of very young girls is much more palatable to these people than chappelle crapping on their personal politics. Silicon valley in a nutshell right there.
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Where were these employees for cuties? Apparently the extreme sexualization of very young girls is much more palatable to these people than chappelle crapping on their personal politics. Silicon valley in a nutshell right there.
Is a Netflix employee walk out the only metric for whether a show is awful? Both received wide-spread criticism.
I think there are calls for Chappelle to be taken off of Netflix, but I don't think that's the primary motivation at this point. I'm not going to invalidate someone, especially a member of the LGBTQ+ community, feeling offended by the special. Generally, I'm for the majority of demands the protesters and Netflix employees are asking for, but I think they are mistaken in their target.
If they really looked at what Chappelle was saying and the points he was trying to make they may change their opinions of him and his comedy. Or maybe not. I just got a vastly different experience out of The Closer than they did, and I still don't fully understand the outrage, let alone call-outs for hate speech.
I don't have Netflix anymore so I can't specifically comment on the special or generate any sort of reaction but I thought that Bill Maher had a great dialogue last night with Yang and McWhorther.
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Seems like season 3 of MindHunter is never gonna happen. I get that production quality is better on modern streaming shows, but I miss the days when network shows just took the summer off.
Seems like season 3 of MindHunter is never gonna happen. I get that production quality is better on modern streaming shows, but I miss the days when network shows just took the summer off.
That’s too bad. It’s my favourite Netflix show. I was going to rewatch the program so now I’ll do that and lament what could have been.
I don't have Netflix anymore so I can't specifically comment on the special or generate any sort of reaction but I thought that Bill Maher had a great dialogue last night with Yang and McWhorther.
I typically can't stand Maher but he hit it out of the park on this one.
I haven't enjoyed any of Chapelles Netflix specials personally. However for anyone to take some offence to this is absurd in my opinion. If you don't like it don't watch it. But to take everything Chapelle says at face value is being more ignorant then he is. It's a comedy show. Outlandish untrue and ironic things are being said in constant forms of satire. I feel like to take offence is to really just prove his overall point correct.
I typically can't stand Maher but he hit it out of the park on this one.
I haven't enjoyed any of Chapelles Netflix specials personally. However for anyone to take some offence to this is absurd in my opinion. If you don't like it don't watch it. But to take everything Chapelle says at face value is being more ignorant then he is. It's a comedy show. Outlandish untrue and ironic things are being said in constant forms of satire. I feel like to take offence is to really just prove his overall point correct.
I like Maher but I don't necessarily agree with all of his views but when it comes to his narrative on "woke society" and activism he is very much on the mark. Rightful movements and causes have become perverted by woke culture that is extreme to the point where the causes are being hurt.
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I typically can't stand Maher but he hit it out of the park on this one.
I haven't enjoyed any of Chapelles Netflix specials personally. However for anyone to take some offence to this is absurd in my opinion. If you don't like it don't watch it. But to take everything Chapelle says at face value is being more ignorant then he is. It's a comedy show. Outlandish untrue and ironic things are being said in constant forms of satire. I feel like to take offence is to really just prove his overall point correct.
I think you're right on one level.
Comedy is also a reflection on what those comics believe and observe, although told to us in a humorous way.
Too often hate speech in comedy attempts to get covered by the generic "don't take it seriously it's just a joke" No. It's not always just a joke, and comedy shouldn't be a field where there is always a free pass to say what you want. Times are changing, comedy has to change along with it, and intelligent comics should be able to do so.
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Comedy is also a reflection on what those comics believe and observe, although told to us in a humorous way.
Too often hate speech in comedy attempts to get covered by the generic "don't take it seriously it's just a joke" No. It's not always just a joke, and comedy shouldn't be a field where there is always a free pass to say what you want. Times are changing, comedy has to change along with it, and intelligent comics should be able to do so.
I would say it's definitely more complex with Chappelle. He's perceives an injustice created by the relatively quick progress addressing one form of discrimination vs the relative lack of progress for the one affecting himself. It was a joke about this (the car analogy) that got much of this controversy started. Large parts of the Kevin Hart jokes were also directed at this point. Society was willing to strip a black man, who'd suffered through society, of his chance to host the Oscars because he made a joke a decade prior. Meanwhile, virtually all of Western society was discriminatory towards black people in the past (and ongoing), but those structures are allowed to just keep on going.
This is going to be a major issue for anyone involved in left wing thought. Relativism vs. absolutism and competing human rights. For example, how do you reconcile religions of minority groups vs. LGTBQ rights. Do you just demand that they modernize their religions? How do you go about enforcing that?
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