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Old 10-22-2021, 12:04 PM   #21
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UPDATE: In an email sent to its membership early on Friday morning, film union IATSE Local 44 said a prop gun fired by Alec Baldwin contained a “live round” that struck and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of Rust in New Mexico.

As first reported by Indiewire, the union, which covers propmasters, told its membership that the prop gun had a live round in it, but that the production’s propmaster was not a union member.
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Old 10-22-2021, 12:05 PM   #22
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Yikes Baldwin was a producer, this is going to be on him completely.
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Old 10-22-2021, 12:20 PM   #23
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Yikes Baldwin was a producer, this is going to be on him completely.
It is, but I just hated the post that insinuated that there was malice or intent in regards to the shooting.

be interesting to find out what the prop masters qualifications and certifications are.

just a tragedy.
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While I admit to being ignorant to movie making I have to question how a live round would even make its way to a filmmaking site or mixed with guns being used for props? Seems like the kind of thing that would happen if someone was being set up.
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I think it's probably time to give up on any guns firing and do it all in vfx. They can create entire worlds in CGI, some muzzle flashes shouldn't be to much work.
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I think it's probably time to give up on any guns firing and do it all in vfx. They can create entire worlds in CGI, some muzzle flashes shouldn't be to much work.
This would drive me crazy, the lack of the ejection port covering opening would do my head in.
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While I admit to being ignorant to movie making I have to question how a live round would even make its way to a filmmaking site or mixed with guns being used for props? Seems like the kind of thing that would happen if someone was being set up.
The union sure seemed to quick to jump on this as an opportunity to show how dangerous it is to use non-union prop staff and not sure how they are so quick to know that it was a live round. I'm not suggesting that it is at all likely they were somehow involved, but it seemed a little self serving and opportunistic, and not sure if their information is reliable.
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Alec Baldwin is very anti-gun too, I have to imagine this kind of thing really hurts for him considering he's campaigned to end gun violence for a long time.
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He was also arrested and charged a while back for picking fights with random people on the streets of NYC.
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Alec Baldwin is very anti-gun too, I have to imagine this kind of thing really hurts for him considering he's campaigned to end gun violence for a long time.
I can't imagine being in his shoes. Not all the therapy in the world would help me if this happened to me. Halyna Hutchins sounds like she was loved on every set, including this one. Just awful.
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This would drive me crazy, the lack of the ejection port covering opening would do my head in.
Hrmmm, crazy UCB or needless deaths...tough call!
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Sad story here though.
must make it so much worse to deal with for the family, to have it splashed all over the news.

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Wow..... this news report is scathing.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...walked-off-set

There were already 2 (or 3?) accidental discharges on set, and people were already expressing concern over their safety. With zero meetings or changes resulting from them.

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Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set that day said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges on Saturday.

Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times. “There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”
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A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.
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Keep seeing the term "accident" being used to describe what happened.
There is no such thing as an accident with firearms. Someone ####ed up.
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Keep seeing the term "accident" being used to describe what happened.
There is no such thing as an accident with firearms. Someone ####ed up.
Meh, it's just formality. Everyone knows that accidents are sometimes accidental and sometimes caused by mistakes/recklessness/undue car etc. Almost every car accident was someone ****ing up, but we still call them accidents and then they're investigated and charges are laid if applicable. Nothing to get worked up over.
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Yeah it’s literally the definition of an accident. Incompetence and carelessness can still result in an accident. The word doesn’t imply it was an act of god. The alternative is that it was on purpose, which it wasn’t.

And why just firearms that are immune to accidents? Why not cars crashes? Or forest fires?
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Two previous near misses, with no safety meetings or corrective action taken.
Improper procedures by inexperienced, uncaring workers handling lethal devices who apparently are being 'rushed' through their work.
In the workplace, which this is, it would be called a preventable incident that now has one person dead and another injured.
I'm sure occupational health and safety would declare, meh... just a formality.
One of the world's leading anti gun violence dickheads who's earned a living glorifying gun violence now has blood on his hands cuz he's dumber than a sack of hammers, and is being led by other people who are as equally dumb and have no business being around firearms.

If this was a car "accident" involving two parties where someone passes, investigations occur to find out if someone is criminally liable or at best, negligent. Which is a fancy way of saying they ####ed up.
If its a forest fire that isn't an act of God, but either arson or a act of negligence from tossed cigs, unattended campfire ect that destroys property and the guilty party is found, they can and will be held criminally liable.
We can assume this wasn't deliberate, but after two previous near misses, no corrective action, and now someone has died, you can bet someone will be held criminally liable since it was 100% completely avoidable.
Aka, not an accident. Someone ####ed up.
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Wow..... this news report is scathing.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...walked-off-set

There were already 2 (or 3?) accidental discharges on set, and people were already expressing concern over their safety. With zero meetings or changes resulting from them.
The whole thing looks incredibly bad for the producers. Part of the crew had already abandoned the project and had been replaced by non-union people. The movie was clearly in financial trouble as people weren't being paid on time.

The armorer responsible for the guns was a 24-year old on her second film.

...and the gun discharged "accidentally", which means either Baldwin was horsing around or mishandled the gun by accident, neither of which are a good look for a veteran actor.

People responsible for the project, indluding Baldwin, are going to end up paying heavily for what happened.
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