05-17-2019, 08:53 PM
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#13921
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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Just me or has there been a ton of overvaluing Kadri lately? I don't really recall him being that good, plus he's prone to doing stupid things on the ice.
Personally I'd target someone else and pass on Kadri altogether.
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05-17-2019, 10:09 PM
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#13922
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Keep Travis Hamonic.
I understand sometimes you have to trade quality for quality, but I think Hamonic is someone who makes the Flames better.
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Don’t want him to go. We are better with him.
Only reason I can see him on the list if he’s told the Flames he is going to ufa, presumably to sign in Winnipeg really close to home. Maybe he’s given the flames the courtesy that he won’t be back so they can get something of value while they can.
Pure speculation on my part, but puzzled to see hamonic up there and not Brodie
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05-17-2019, 10:11 PM
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#13923
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by TheoFleury
An average top 4 D with warts on an expiring contract isn't returning young cost controlled players like Kapanen or a 2C with term on a good deal. Calling kadri a middle 6 player is a little disingenuous. Most teams he would be a 2C (he's better than backlund imo). He's only 3C in TO because of depth. I think kadri is the guy getting underrated around here. One down year and he's worth brodie? Who in the last 3 years has looked like trash with the exception of this past year where he was average.
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Brodie had been a liability for the vast majority of the past three years. Unplayable at times. The Flames should move him for picks. Take the cap space and fill his spot internally.
I'm also with you on Kadri. He's a 2C on the Flames & the Leafs aren't looking to give him away. If they do move him, the principle piece coming back won't be a player with one year left on his deal. At least not with some reassurance the player will resign and fit their cap structure.
Not sure how much interest the Leafs would have in Brodie who has one year left and will likely be looking to get paid while Kadri's deal looks like it is solid value. If I'm the Leafs, I'm looking elsewhere.
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05-17-2019, 11:54 PM
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#13924
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Brodie had been a liability for the vast majority of the past three years. Unplayable at times. The Flames should move him for picks. Take the cap space and fill his spot internally.
I'm also with you on Kadri. He's a 2C on the Flames & the Leafs aren't looking to give him away. If they do move him, the principle piece coming back won't be a player with one year left on his deal. At least not with some reassurance the player will resign and fit their cap structure.
Not sure how much interest the Leafs would have in Brodie who has one year left and will likely be looking to get paid while Kadri's deal looks like it is solid value. If I'm the Leafs, I'm looking elsewhere.
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the caveat is that the Leafs have major cap issues coming up, not to mention making 2 bone headed plays in two consecutive playoffs, which many think cost them the series.
i would agree that Brodie would not be of much interest to the Leafs, but not because of talent, but because of the aforementioned cap issues... Brodie's 4.5 million dollar contract means that they exchange one cap issue for another....
not sure how overrated he is, but he's scored 30 goals twice in the last three years, and as far as i know, he's not riding shotgun with Marner and Matthews for the majority of his ice time.
he'd certainly be overvalued by Toronto however, and it would cost us at least Kylington + to get him.
he'd be a clear upgrade on the bottom two lines imo and plays with an edge...his problem is one of controlling that emotion...
not saying Calgary should trade for him, but no harm in kicking the tires to see what it would take to acquire him either
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05-17-2019, 11:58 PM
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#13925
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Only Kasperi Kapanen from the Leafs. Anyone else I would want isn't leaving that team. I.e, Anderson, Matthews, Reilly.
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i would add Johnsson to the list as desirable guys... not sure if he's on the Leafs no trade list, but he probably ought to be or is on the cusp
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05-18-2019, 10:38 AM
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#13926
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#1 Goaltender
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Calling Brodie a liability is absolutely laughable. He is a top pairing defender by any metric
Is Giordano the best player of all time? Because you would have to be to win the Norris partnered with a liability. Which he is going to do.
Giordano’s two Norris seasons came with Brodie as his partner (he was a lock to win before his injury years ago).
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05-18-2019, 10:43 AM
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#13927
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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Brodie's a heck of a mobile defender whose style lends itself to puck gaffes at times. Giordano's good enough at all ends of the ice to help paper over the things Brodie isn't amazing at.
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05-18-2019, 10:55 AM
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#13929
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Franchise Player
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I doubt the leafs would be too interested in one year of Brodie in exchange for roster players. I could see them consider a deal around Hanifin(4.95M x 5) for Nylander(6.96M x 5). Both are about the same age, and Toronto gets to save 2M in cap space. Though I am not too sure as to who would be adding and how much to make it work. Nylander didn't have a great year last year, but I think a lot of it had to do with not starting the year on time.
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05-18-2019, 11:04 AM
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#13930
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Toonage
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Especially with no Brodie to be seen in there. TSN has always been out to lunch when it comes to the Flames, I think Todd Button leaks bs to his brother that isn't true to throw everyone off. Hammer isn't going anywhere.
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05-18-2019, 11:09 AM
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#13931
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neo45
Calling Brodie a liability is absolutely laughable. He is a top pairing defender by any metric.
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By any metric? Lol, no, no he isn't.
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05-18-2019, 11:13 AM
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#13932
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Only Kasperi Kapanen from the Leafs. Anyone else I would want isn't leaving that team. I.e, Anderson, Matthews, Reilly.
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Kapanen started the season strong but his offense and play died off second half of the season. His biggest attribute is his speed.
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05-18-2019, 11:14 AM
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#13933
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Especially with no Brodie to be seen in there. TSN has always been out to lunch when it comes to the Flames, I think Todd Button leaks bs to his brother that isn't true to throw everyone off. Hammer isn't going anywhere.
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I don't know that they're looking to trade Brodie. When he plays with Gio over a full year, Gio is a Norris level player. This has been true for five or six years.
When Hamilton played with Gio, he was a 40-50 point #1D.
Brodie brings out the best in Gio. He's an imperfect player, but he fits well with our captain. Every other defenseman on the roster outside Hamonic should be on the powerplay before him.
I'm fine not trading any of the top 4 D this summer, but salaries will likely make that impossible.
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05-18-2019, 11:16 AM
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#13934
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
I don't know that they're looking to trade Brodie. When he plays with Gio over a full year, Gio is a Norris level player. This has been true for five or six years.
When Hamilton played with Gio, he was a 40-50 point #1D.
Brodie brings out the best in Gio. He's an imperfect player, but he fits well with our captain. Every other defenseman on the roster outside Hamonic should be on the powerplay before him.
I'm fine not trading any of the top 4 D this summer, but salaries will likely make that impossible.
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Except in the playoffs
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05-18-2019, 11:20 AM
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#13935
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Stampede Grounds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gvitaly
I doubt the leafs would be too interested in one year of Brodie in exchange for roster players. I could see them consider a deal around Hanifin(4.95M x 5) for Nylander(6.96M x 5). Both are about the same age, and Toronto gets to save 2M in cap space. Though I am not too sure as to who would be adding and how much to make it work. Nylander didn't have a great year last year, but I think a lot of it had to do with not starting the year on time.
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Yeah just what we need. Another soft euro who pouts. no thanks.
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05-18-2019, 12:14 PM
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#13936
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beninho
Except in the playoffs
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Brodie is better than 0.5 PPG in the playoffs for his career. And even after this year's debacle, he was only -1. He was PPG two years ago against the Ducks playing with Stone.
Brodie's not the reason they didn't win, and he contributes to far more successes than failures. Don't be in a hurry to trade him.
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05-18-2019, 12:20 PM
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#13937
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gvitaly
I doubt the leafs would be too interested in one year of Brodie in exchange for roster players. I could see them consider a deal around Hanifin(4.95M x 5) for Nylander(6.96M x 5). Both are about the same age, and Toronto gets to save 2M in cap space. Though I am not too sure as to who would be adding and how much to make it work. Nylander didn't have a great year last year, but I think a lot of it had to do with not starting the year on time.
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This move would be to address a deficiency of offense.
The Flames just finished 2nd in the entire league in goal scoring.
Makes no sense as you weaken a part of the team that needs to be better and strengthen a part of the team that is already elite.
Trade Brodie by all means, but deal him for something the team needs.
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05-18-2019, 12:55 PM
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#13938
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
This move would be to address a deficiency of offense.
The Flames just finished 2nd in the entire league in goal scoring.
Makes no sense as you weaken a part of the team that needs to be better and strengthen a part of the team that is already elite.
Trade Brodie by all means, but deal him for something the team needs.
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Cap space and prospects.
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05-18-2019, 01:15 PM
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#13939
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Brodie is generally a good player, but he makes some boneheaded plays that make me wonder what Anders Eriksson is up to these days. The frequency of Brodie's misplays is just unforgivable for a player that gets as much ice-time as he does. I find no pleasure in writing this because he is a wonderful and generous person in the community, but really hope we can sell high on him before the season starts. I think some team will overpay for his flashy stats.
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05-18-2019, 05:31 PM
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#13940
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Brodie is generally a good player, but he makes some boneheaded plays that make me wonder what Anders Eriksson is up to these days. The frequency of Brodie's misplays is just unforgivable for a player that gets as much ice-time as he does. I find no pleasure in writing this because he is a wonderful and generous person in the community, but really hope we can sell high on him before the season starts. I think some team will overpay for his flashy stats.
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I must say Brodie has nothing on Pietranegelo when it comes to bone headed mistakes and he's a top pairing guy on a team a few games from the finals.
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