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Old 07-23-2019, 09:51 PM   #61
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Anyone else have a Feaster flashback reading this?
In what way? Can you expand on this?
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Old 07-23-2019, 10:11 PM   #62
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Given the way the ownership group treated Iginla, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they allow the franchise's first Norris trophy winner Mark Giordano to go unprotected.

That's not how they roll.
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Old 07-23-2019, 10:16 PM   #63
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In what way? Can you expand on this?
I believe he's comparing the effect Lucic's NMC will have on our expansion draft vs Feaster offersheeting O'Reilly without knowing he had to clear waivers, and thus potentially risking losing the 6th overall pick (Sean Monahan) for nothing.

Which this really isn't.
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Old 07-23-2019, 10:24 PM   #64
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In what way? Can you expand on this?
The way the post was worded made it sound like Flames were making some interpretation of a factual matter which is exactly how Flames sounded when questioned on ROR’s waiver status after the offer sheet.

I realize the situations are different but the way the poster worded it brought back flashbacks for me and I’m hopeful Flames aren’t making any kind of “interpretation” here.
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Given the way the ownership group treated Iginla, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they allow the franchise's first Norris trophy winner Mark Giordano to go unprotected.

That's not how they roll.
I think it depends on how Gio is playing. If he falls off the cliff then I doubt it will be an issue to leave him unprotected.
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Old 07-30-2020, 01:42 PM   #66
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Thought I'd bump this, given how things have changed in the past year (and knowing they'll likely still change.

I made a list considering some of the rumoured changes, but it does call into question what the implications of a Gaudreau trade might be, or what we do on the backend. This is assuming Valimaki will be exempt and Lucic will waive, which might be big assumptions.

7F/3D/1G

Forwards (definitely protected):
Tkachuk
Monahan
Gaudreau (Hall?)
Lindholm

Remaining forwards (likely protected):
Backlund
Mangiapane
Dube

Defence (definitely protected):
Giordano
Andersson

Defence (likely protected):
Hanifin

Goaltenders:
Rittich (unless another starter is acquired)


Notable players exposed:
Ryan
Bennett
Kylington


Seems pretty reasonable. However, if Gaudreau is traded, it's possible that a non-exempt forward is acquired. That would mean that Backlund, Dube, or Mangiapane would be exposed, and in that scenario any of those four would likely be taken (assuming the Flames don't acquire a forward in the Gaudreau trade and then leave him exposed, which would be such a waste).

And we can assume that with the potential loss of Brodie and Hamonic, we will acquire another Top 4 D (or re-sign Brodie). That means that player would likely be exposed. Not a big deal if they're a UFA pickup and Valimaki cements himself in the Top 4, but it does pose another question: If you acquire another Top 4 D worth protecting, do you then trade Hanifin for some considerable assets? If you did, I think you'd want to do it early on, as he's going to cost teams a protection slot and the longer he can prove he belongs in their top 3, the better (and there aren't a ton of teams where he'd be the no-brainer 3rd protection slot).

Bennett has been predicted by a few spots as the guy taken in the expansion draft, but I think depending on what the Flames do to improve the team this year, we may lose one of Backlund, Dube, Mangiapane or a Top 4 D instead.
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Old 07-30-2020, 01:47 PM   #67
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Are we definitely protecting Gio? He'll be an old grey beard next season.
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Are we definitely protecting Gio? He'll be an old grey beard next season.
I think that really boils down to next seasons results. I wouldn't say either way today. Still a wh9le.offseason of roster adjustments to factor in, then the play of the team and ultimately the play of Gio. Id say if there's a reasonable amount of success paired with no decline from Gio, then he gets protected. He goes unprotected IF he regresses and the team falters.
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Are we definitely protecting Gio? He'll be an old grey beard next season.
As of now I would think so.

If the Flames bring in another top 4 Dman without sending one out and/or keep Kylington who in turn has a break out season then maybe I could see them exposing him.
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Are we definitely protecting Gio? He'll be an old grey beard next season.
Young and fresh.
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Are we definitely protecting Gio? He'll be an old grey beard next season.
I doubt he'll be protected. He turns 38 less than a week into Seattle's first season. Engelland was the oldest player Vegas took in their expansion draft and he was only 35. The next-oldest was Fleury, who was 32.
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I think Gio would be a great expansion selection; one year remaining on his contract - a great trade deadline chip could be flipped for a 1st+ by a competent GM. Same reason for Tre to protect him
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I don't think we need to worry about protecting Gio. His agent can tell Seattle that if they do decide to pick him, he will just retire the second his name is announced. Problem easily solved...
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The only reason I believe Giordano will be protected is it's simply the right thing to do. Maybe he retires at the end of the season (maybe) but I don't believe the Flames will leave him exposed, given his place in the franchise.
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The only reason I believe Giordano will be protected is it's simply the right thing to do. Maybe he retires at the end of the season (maybe) but I don't believe the Flames will leave him exposed, given his place in the franchise.
Yeah, it's the honourable thing to do, but I am not sure if it is really worth a very valuable protection spot...
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Yeah, it's the honourable thing to do, but I am not sure if it is really worth a very valuable protection spot...
It might not be, but he might also be deserving of it. It's only a year away, Gio maintaining his current of level of play for another year is definitely not out of the question.
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The only reason I believe Giordano will be protected is it's simply the right thing to do. Maybe he retires at the end of the season (maybe) but I don't believe the Flames will leave him exposed, given his place in the franchise.
If his play craters next season, which could very well happen, then you can leave him safely exposed without much risk of losing him. An honor spot in my estimation is counter productive to the business of staying as competitive as an organization can be.

Flames have a bad history of allowing heartstrings dictate sound business decisions beneficial to the team (see iginla)
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I don't think we need to worry about protecting Gio. His agent can tell Seattle that if they do decide to pick him, he will just retire the second his name is announced. Problem easily solved...
Is his agent going to pay him $6.75m to retire
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