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Old 07-21-2019, 08:36 AM   #41
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Depends on whether they go 7-3 FvD or 8 skaters. I haven't worked out if Dube would be eligible or not, though.
Wouldnt he be at 3 years of Pro hockey and finishing his ELC by then? Would make him eligible.
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:37 AM   #42
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While I agree the worry is unnecessary, you’re not really getting the potential issue. It’s not that Seattle would pick him. It’s that Calgary is forced to protect him, using up one of their protection spots and thereby exposing a player they otherwise would not have.

And I’m glad Lucic has a contract that provides little to no buyout relief. Buying out Brouwer is a part of this whole mess.

Oh I am very aware of the issue thanks, but I keep reading how Lucic will waive so he can be exposed and Seattle will grab him so he can be close to Vancouver. (Which is really odd logic on its own)

Im merely pointing out that even if he does waive to be exposed...there is no chance he would be picked.

As for your last sentence...what?

You prefer to be locked in to a horribly flawed contract on a really bad hockey player with no realistic way out?

Why?
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:37 AM   #43
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Depends on whether they go 7-3 FvD or 8 skaters. I haven't worked out if Dube would be eligible or not, though.
https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-202...ed/c-302586918


* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

By the time the expansion draft comes, Valimaki and Dube will be 3rd year pros and will have to be protected as I understand it.
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Thing is, if you have to expose Mangiapane and Dube anyway, having to protect Lucic probably doesn't matter.
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:45 AM   #45
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Thing is, if you have to expose Mangiapane and Dube anyway, having to protect Lucic probably doesn't matter.
Well. It does matter in the sense that we can't go 4-4 if we have have to protect Lucic, unless we want to lose Lindholm. But no matter which configuration we use, we're exposing a bunch of players around the same value and they can only take one.

It's a much better situation to be in than the Vegas expansion draft, where the Flames depth was so bad, that the UFA Engelland was the BPA LOL

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Old 07-21-2019, 08:49 AM   #46
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If the Flames ask Lucic to waive for expansion, does that waive the NMC completely?

If so, that's a big reason for him NOT to waive... so he doesn't get his useless ass sent to ECHL
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:56 AM   #47
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Well. It does matter in the sense that we can't go 4-4 if we have have to protect Lucic, unless we want to lose Lindholm. But no matter which configuration we use, we're exposing a bunch of players around the same value and they can only take one.

It's a much better situation to be in than the Vegas expansion draft, where the Flames depth was so bad, that the UFA Engelland was the BPA LOL
4-4 I'd make a deal with Seattle so as to protect Lindholm, Johnny, Monahan and MT. But I really don't see the Flames going 4-4 and losing two skater slots.
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Old 07-21-2019, 09:11 AM   #48
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Oh I am very aware of the issue thanks, but I keep reading how Lucic will waive so he can be exposed and Seattle will grab him so he can be close to Vancouver. (Which is really odd logic on its own)

Im merely pointing out that even if he does waive to be exposed...there is no chance he would be picked.

As for your last sentence...what?

You prefer to be locked in to a horribly flawed contract on a really bad hockey player with no realistic way out?

Why?
Still not sure you get it. No one is worried about losing him to Seattle.

And thing is buyouts aren’t free. Flames would be better off never having bought out Brouwer and get him off the books sooner.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:42 AM   #50
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I think Flames go 4-4 without Lucic

Forwards: Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Lindholm
Defense: Gio, Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki

Key exposed players: Backlund, Dube, Bennett, Kylington, Hamonic?
By the time expansion is upon us a lot will change. Giordano could become expendable depending on progression
7-3 with Lucic

Forwards: Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Backlund, Dube, Lucic
Defense: Gio, Valimaki, Andersson

Key exposed players: Hanifin, Bennett, Kylington, Hamonic?
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Old 07-21-2019, 12:35 PM   #51
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So much will change between now and then, assuming Lucic waives, it will be a tough call between who to lose at forward... Dubé, Mangiapane or Bennett?

On D, Giordano could become expendable in favour of Andersson or Kylington? *I also assume Hamonic is not re-signed.

7, 3 and 1 goalie route.

Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Dubé
Mangiapane or Bennett

Hanafin
Valimaki
Andersson or Kylington

Rittich or ?

The 4 and 4 plus 1 goalie scenario. (If Andersson progresses or Kylington explodes)

Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk

Valimaki
Hanafin
Andersson
Kylington

Rittich or ?
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So much will change between now and then, assuming Lucic waives, it will be a tough call between who to lose at forward... Dubé, Mangiapane or Bennett?

On D, Giordano could become expendable in favour of Andersson or Kylington? *I also assume Hamonic is not re-signed.

7, 3 and 1 goalie route.

Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Dubé
Mangiapane or Bennett

Hanafin
Valimaki
Andersson or Kylington

Rittich or ?

The 4 and 4 plus 1 goalie scenario. (If Andersson progresses or Kylington explodes)

Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk

Valimaki
Hanafin
Andersson
Kylington

Rittich or ?
That's pretty much how I see it, though not re-signing Hamonic is pretty tough.
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Old 07-23-2019, 03:17 AM   #53
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Two years from now, I would expect that no more than 2 of Dube, Mangiapane or Bennett will be with the Flames. And quite possibly less.

Of course there will be other guys to protect.
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BT confirmed on his interview that based on contract and timing of expansion of draft they have no concerns regarding Lucic and NMC for expansion draft.

BT did not want to comment on Lucic's contract specifics why he felt that way but my interpretation is that capfriendly is correct and that Lucic contract does become an NTC just prior to expansion draft and therefore Lucic does not need to be protected.

BT stated we did our homework and are quite comfortable with the scenario.
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BT confirmed on his interview that based on contract and timing of expansion of draft they have no concerns regarding Lucic and NMC for expansion draft.

BT did not want to comment on Lucic's contract specifics why he felt that way but my interpretation is that capfriendly is correct and that Lucic contract does become an NTC just prior to expansion draft and therefore Lucic does not need to be protected.

BT stated we did our homework and are quite comfortable with the scenario.
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Way too early. Not sure why fans get so stressed about this. Lots can and will change in a couple of years time. Flames lost nobody last draft so even if they lose a decent player it's not the end of the world.
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If the Flames ask Lucic to waive for expansion, does that waive the NMC completely?

If so, that's a big reason for him NOT to waive... so he doesn't get his useless ass sent to ECHL
A player can agree to waive for one transaction, he just needs to make that clear and have the team he's going to agree to it. otherwise, he presumably doesn't waive.

The situation where a clause dies is when a player gets traded prior to a NTC becoming effective. In that case, the new team can choose to ignore it.
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BT confirmed on his interview that based on contract and timing of expansion of draft they have no concerns regarding Lucic and NMC for expansion draft.

BT did not want to comment on Lucic's contract specifics why he felt that way but my interpretation is that capfriendly is correct and that Lucic contract does become an NTC just prior to expansion draft and therefore Lucic does not need to be protected.

BT stated we did our homework and are quite comfortable with the scenario.
I thought capfriendly said he has a modified NTC as well as a NMC in 2021
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BT confirmed on his interview that based on contract and timing of expansion of draft they have no concerns regarding Lucic and NMC for expansion draft.

BT did not want to comment on Lucic's contract specifics why he felt that way but my interpretation is that capfriendly is correct and that Lucic contract does become an NTC just prior to expansion draft and therefore Lucic does not need to be protected.

BT stated we did our homework and are quite comfortable with the scenario.
Treliving didn't exactly say that. Lucic will still have his NMC, but based on BT's vague comments, he's not worried that Lucic will refuse to waive it for the expansion draft.
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I really think that the Flames will trade something with Seattle (like a goalie if one or more of Parsons/Gillies/Schneider pan out or a 2nd round draft pick) to ensure Seattle to select a good player with a semi-bad contract like Backlund.
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