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I posted above where I got it from (which wasn't that), but I will not continue using that phrase. I don't think Kenney is a racist, nor was I trying to imply that. The original meaning of that label got lost on me.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:13 PM   #1342
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Oh I'm not mad, I just think he was being deceptive on the NO CARBON TAX punchline and telling people partial truths. This goes back to his propaganda machine discussion.

When you have to rely on three letter punchlines like that (or the proverbial "Justin Trudeau's Ally") it's campaign cocaine that gets the base riled and that's what the reduce it all down to.

I agree with you - anyone could find what they were looking for, as long as they got past the punchline. But ask most people on the street who voted UCP and they probably won't proactively tell you about the Technology Innovation and Emissions Reductions (TIER). They'll tell you Jason removed the carbon tax, end of story.
The average person would be correct. They likely weren’t aware of SGER under Stelmech/Redford which was more or less restored under TIER. So under their worldview the Carbon Tax was repealed. There is only misleading information if you were aware of SGER, understood that the Carbon tax replaces SGER for large emitters, and that you expected the Carbon Tax Repeal would not re-implement SGER. And I would say if you know and care that much about the details of Carbon Tax policy you would have read the platform.

So I don’t believe that any person was mislead by Kenny’s campaign on Carbon Tax. And it’s an accurate statement to state Kenny removed the Carbon Tax.
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Fair enough. On binary terms it was removed, and many Albertans probably think one does not exist at all right now.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:42 PM   #1344
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Why so hostile? $30M is lots of money, this isn't $300K - a small potato expenditure this is not. it is prudent, as taxpayers, that we make sure the government is accountable in spending their money properly - doesn't matter if it's the UCP, NDP, Liberals, Alberta Party, Rhinoceros Party, Knife Party, Birthday Party, Party of Five, whatever.

As for the link to the tech handout that got cut, see below as per your request:

https://calgaryherald.com/business/l...credit-program
If only you knew how much money has been lost in this province.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:51 PM   #1345
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If only you knew how much money has been lost in this province.
Ugh, I know. Remember the Sky Palace fiasco? That's just one gross example. Or when members of the previous PC government were flying themselves (and their kin) around the world on the taxpayer dime? Ugh. That's just scratching the surface too. I hear ya buddy.
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Ugh, I know. Remember the Sky Palace fiasco? That's just one gross example. Or when members of the previous PC government were flying themselves (and their kin) around the world on the taxpayer dime? Ugh. That's just scratching the surface too. I hear ya buddy.
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I posted above where I got it from (which wasn't that), but I will not continue using that phrase. I don't think Kenney is a racist, nor was I trying to imply that. The original meaning of that label got lost on me.
Lol. Ok. No one believes you.
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Ugh, I know. Remember the Sky Palace fiasco? That's just one gross example. Or when members of the previous PC government were flying themselves (and their kin) around the world on the taxpayer dime? Ugh. That's just scratching the surface too. I hear ya buddy.
And of the garbage government of the last 4 years?

I mean you bring up the PCs of old when referring to the war room which really isn’t relevant so you don’t have a point.
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I'd love to go for a beer with you, Weitz
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And of the garbage government of the last 4 years?

I mean you bring up the PCs of old when referring to the war room which really isn’t relevant so you don’t have a point.
Oh man, the government of the last four years was terrible! Ugh.

I never brought up the PC's of old regarding the 'war room' though, not sure how you connected those two whatsoever... swing and a miss. That bloated expense is a fart special of the current government, and it likely won't be their last one either.

Governments in general are experts in waste spending, regardless of political colors. It's been happening for decades, generations, years, take your pick. Even you can understand that.
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Oh man, the government of the last four years was terrible! Ugh.

I never brought up the PC's of old regarding the 'war room' though, not sure how you connected those two whatsoever... swing and a miss. That bloated expense is a fart special of the current government, and it likely won't be their last one either.

Governments in general are experts in waste spending, regardless of political colors. It's been happening for decades, generations, years, take your pick. Even you can understand that.
The amount of money lost in this province due to a misinformation campaign is huge. You then go on about sky palace and that crap and claim you didn’t bring up the old PCs? What?

$30 million spent to perhaps get back some of the billions lost isn’t wasted money. As compared to your old PC examples (you didn’t make).

Maybe it’s all for naught at the end of the day but it’s money well spent IMO. The industry here has sat on their laurels for years and gotten no where.

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The amount of money lost in this province due to a misinformation campaign is huge. You then go on about sky palace and that crap and claim you didn’t bring up the old PCs? What?

$30 million spent to perhaps get back some of the billions lost isn’t wasted money. As compared to your old PC examples (you didn’t make).

Maybe it’s all for naught at the end of the day but it’s money well spent IMO.
Huh? You're making absolutely no sense here, and your attempt to make chronological connections between previous posts is not just weak, but very odd and confusing.

The Old PC's spent like corrupt dictators, the NDP wasted money, and Kenney's overpriced troll farm are all examples of wasteful government spending - that's the point. And it's not going to stop, either, regardless of political color. How can you not see that?
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Maybe itís all for naught at the end of the day but itís money well spent IMO. The industry here has sat on their laurels for years and gotten no where.
"Maybe itís all for naught at the end of the day but itís money well spent IMO"

The gambler who walked out of the casino with no winnings said the same thing. We don't even get to know what game or table he spent his money on! And that was his family's money too!
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$30 million spent to perhaps get back some of the billions lost isnít wasted money.
How is the war room going to get money that weíve already lost back? Are they building a time machine to ship oil and sell it in the past? If so we better hope that Endgameís theory of time travel was wrong and Back to the Futureís was right.

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Maybe itís all for naught at the end of the day but itís money well spent IMO.
Getting nothing back on a $30M investment isnít money well spent.

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The industry here has sat on their laurels for years and gotten no where.
The industry has always been fighting back, in the case of the TMX expansion Kinder Morgan was going to scrap the pipeline because they got tired of delays and spending money in court to fight them, so the feds bought KMC. The industry sitting on their laurels wasnít the reason those legal challenges were an effective tactic to delay the project and Kenneyís war room isnít going to change our laws. Had the industry done nothing the TMX expansion would have been scrapped years ago.

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I think we discussed this here before in other threads:

Denver and Calgary: A tale of 2 similar but very different cities

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ison-1.3776682
Maybe there's a good article somewhere in the universe detailing how Denver and Calgary are more comparable than just a city close to the mountains with some energy exposure, and how Denver took explicit steps that Calgary didn't but that one ain't it. Most of it is a puff piece focusing on libraries parks and trendy So-Do districts as if that makes any difference at all. It even includes a part about building Coors field, maybe Calgary should do the same and build a MLB stadium, hell anything's possible if you put it on the holy altar of "diversifying the economy". Instead the author seems to be a devotee of the blame game of someone, somewhere, not pushing the "diversify economy" button hard enough or often enough and works backwards from there. This quote is particularly illuminating:

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Calgary? Diversification was a hot topic, but lucrative energy profits always resurfaced, and then didn't, and then did, and so on. But Denver made a plan, and resisted the temptation to wait for the next boom.

Now Denver was never a one-trick pony. Since the days of the gold rush, other industries — like aerospace — have called the city home. But energy booms brought downtown skyscrapers, new homes for new residents and a flurry of investments. Still, the city knew it had to uncouple itself from economic dependence on the industry.

Denver and its surrounding counties decided to stop competing against each other for new businesses and talent pools. Economic development funds sprouted up everywhere, and an agreement was struck on regional tax rates and recruiting key industries — like technology companies.
So the first paragraph implies that instead of being smart everyone sat around not pushing the diversify-ing button like a bunch of idiots. Then it offers the only real policy decision out of the whole article where development funds are set up through....? and Denver synchronizes tax rates which somehow results in a flurry of tech companies coming in the 80s I guess. The next paragraph is about a guy setting up a park, and then Denver building a conference center (which we have), and then all the fluff about libraries and baseball stadiums.

The substantial examples they give of Denver's increasing employment base however undermines the thesis of this article by separating Denver and Calgary as any kind of meaningful comparison. They talk about the airport, which is the 10th busiest in the WORLD, and is certainly a big boost to their economy, does Calgary have any chance of replicating that? No way. They talk about healthcare, but for better or worse US cities can employ people in healthcare and insurance to a much higher degree because of private incentives. They talk about government jobs through a US mint and Denver being the capital of Colorado, Calgary has no chance of replicating that. They talk about Denver being centrally located N-S in the US and halfway between the large cities of the midwest and west coast, making it a perfect distribution node for transit of beverages and other goods between population clusters of 100 million people or more. Calgary by contrast is an outpost, because Canada is a sparsely populated wasteland for the most part. These are all the real advantages Denver has over us, they're gifts of geography and circumstance impossible to replicate, and are much more substantial than a superficial similarity of having mountains to the west. The funniest part too is in spite of all these great gains that Denver has in all these industries and smart jurisdictions leaving O&G behind guess what the fastest growing employer in Denver was in 2017 and 2018 by far? Natural Resources and construction, how about that.

What's Calgary's advantage on Denver? The nerve center, the largest accumulation of technical know-how in O&G in Canada and second largest in NA after Houston placed in the Province that if it were it's own country would have the 4th largest reserves of oil in the world, not to mention plentiful natural gas. It makes the reserves in Colorado look like a joke. Why we should be upset with taking full advantage of that and not trying to be something we're not is beyond me, the only tactical mistake was I guess assuming that our country would let us export our product, which would be another advantage Colorado and Denver have on us. I'm all in favor of diversifying the economy, I'm captain of that team, but it's not easy. And bogus comparisons to American cities with vastly better geographical advantages are not proof positive of anything.

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China's nationalist propaganda being taught to elementary students. Coolio.

New Brunswick turfs China-backed Confucius Institute out of elementary schools to curb Beijing's influence

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'Systems are going to start going down' say IT contractors, as Alberta government stops renewing contracts

CBC News has spoken to four IT contractors who say the Alberta government's decision to stop renewing contingent labour contracts two months ago is hurting small business. They say it's likely taking money out of the province and could have major service impacts for Albertans.

The information technology contractors say some online services — like the provincial scholarship system — are already breaking down, and other websites and applications likely will soon.

But, the government says those contracts are under review as part of regular business practice and Albertans won't notice any service issues.

Some of the contractors are part of a group of companies that reached out to the province to request a meeting about the issue weeks ago and have yet to receive a response.

"It feels like a betrayal," said Daryle Niedermayer, a senior project manager who is working on a contingent contract labour position with the province. "Systems are going to start going down and Albertans are going to start feeling the pain … apart from a few exceptions, as a rule, no contractor is getting a renewal regardless of how important their work is."


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I don't think the Kenney government knows how tech works. Upgrades, maintenance and managed services don't wait for budget reviews, and it seems like they're just going to have to play a very expensive game of catch up later. Also, single-sourcing projects is going to negatively affect local business significantly, all so they can use non-Albertan companies like IBM, CGI, Fujitsu and other big-box companies that are WAY more expensive and often do a terrible job.

Removing the smaller local guys is a BAD move. Departments and business units have come to rely on quality contractors to come in and build/maintain their systems, and its as much about the relationship between vendor and client that makes project works as it does about the technology being implemented. This is where repeat business comes from with smaller vendors - you can get more senior consultants for half the price doing great work.

Ugh.
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50-year-old leader of Alberta who lives in mom's retirement home basement doesn't "get" technology, more at 11.
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https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...f-transparency

Interesting, if true.

The Federal Election cannot come fast enough, if only to see the UCP budget for the next 4 years for Alberta.
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